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SO what is the deal on the 1st rail way were there many makers and why is it so hard to find a hanger.
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It would be helpful if we had authentic period in wear pictures of this scarce model and its hangers.
As to makers, Klass is the preferred maker by collectors/dealers who accept the black grip army as a 1st model Bahnschutz.
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As Barry mentioned, Klaas is preferred by collectors as "textbook" for a 1st model Bahnschutz. I've observed some daggers by Eickhorn that were accepted as period. There may have also been a few by Tiger but it's early in the day.
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In truth there is no such thing as a 1st model Railway dagger. There was one model railway dagger, the so called 2nd pattern is all there is. The '1st model' is a Heer dagger that had a black grip painted white. I have personally handled three daggers now, all Klass, that have white grips with black underneath. In some cases the black was dominant, with almost all of the White paint falling off. In one example the black was left just in the grooves.
One dealer showed me this latter example, and I could have bought it for £375. Two months later I saw that the swine had removed all of the original white paint and had the same dagger in his shop window for £1,000. Have a nice day, as they say.
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In truth there is no such thing as a 1st model Railway dagger. There was one model railway dagger, the so called 2nd pattern is all there is. The '1st model' is a Heer dagger that had a black grip painted white. I have personally handled three daggers now, all Klass, that have white grips with black underneath. In some cases the black was dominant, with almost all of the White paint falling off. In one example the black was left just in the grooves.
One dealer showed me this latter example, and I could have bought it for £375. Two months later I saw that the swine had removed all of the original white paint and had the same dagger in his shop window for £1,000. Have a nice day, as they say. Like this one by Klass? Personally I am not convinced that there was a "1st model" railway; period documentation and/or photos would certainly convince me otherwise. When I started collecting in the 1950's I remember black gripped armies being referred to as army "engineer officer's" dagger; because grip colour matched the waffenfarbe. Later came the 1st rail appellation. But, having said all that there is a continuing strong collector demand for the "1st model" Bahnschutz.
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Exactly! I've seen three of these over the years with varying degrees of white paint left. I just can't stand tampering with history, so it annoys me that people would strip off original finish to increase the value. That's why it would be useful if advanced collectors and dealers in the hobby would be clear that this is a rare type of heer dagger, worth preserving in original condition where possible. The engineer and 1st model railway myths need to be openly debunked.
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well the debate thrives I see. Mine is black with no sign of white but a strange maker luneschoss for an blade maker I got it in a trade so I can always part it out or replace the grip with a yellow. but one could hope. Now I must study a lot more books.
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