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Not sure how you manage to ferret out these great pieces but you always seem to have a line on another great acquisition. Great collection and thank you for sharing it with us navy collectors. Your enthusiasm and dogged determination is infectious!
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Frank, Rick and Frederik: thanks alot!
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I finally found a navy dagger with a chased scabbard. It's a very nice example by Alcoso. The detail on the scabbard is great. Here are some pictures.
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Some pictures of the blade with the nice sailing ship etch and the early Alcoso makermark.
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Great looking Navy this piece exemplifies the quality of craftsmanship available during the period.
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That etched blade by Alcoso with stunning chased scabbard
is a real beauty!
Thanks for sharing!
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Ehen you see a chased scabbard, the others just fade away by comparison.
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Outstanding John!
Chased daggers are the cream indeed!
Collectors should always get a good look as
they are almost always hidden in collections!
Thanks for showing!
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Thanks guys, these chased scabbards are really something special. Even better in hand. John, yours is a very fine example too.
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Outstanding collection, Danny! Words fail me!
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very, very nice collection!
and in only 6 years!
congrats! I'm a little bit jealous :p i hope to own me ONE one day myself :p
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I never knew there were this many!
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Here are some pictures of my favourite imperial navy dagger.
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I can see why this is one of your favourites.
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Beautiful 1902 pattern piece. Just love those aged ivory grips, damascus blades and hand chased scabbards. What is harder for me to find are the Imperial era hangers. I have found two sets in 16 years. Thanks for sharing with us.
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That Last Eickhorn is a Beauty ! What a collection !
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Here are some pictures of my Ivory gripped Alcoso navy dagger.
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Beautiful piece Danny. Looks like a M1929 but with 1938 "replacement" pommel?
Don't know how you manage to find so many nice daggers. Keep them coming for us mere mortals to enjoy.
Best, Rick
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Danny,
Photos of one of my favorite Imperial Navy daggers. Max Dinger (marked M+D on blade tang) damascus blade. Small knight head WKC logo. Deluxe scabbard. About 90% original guilt remaining.
Cheers, Rick
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Thanks for posting these great daggers Rick! Absolutely fantastic pieces! I love them all. I hope you will show these daggers individually on this forum one day.
Danny
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Thanks Danny. Finally getting around to retirement and will have time during May to photograph and share them. Stay tuned.
I must ask however, you usually have a deal going. Any new acquisitions?
Kindest regards...Rick
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Rick,
I have acquired some new pieces in the last few months but had no time to properly photograph them. Here's the last one I took some pictures of. Some others are still to come.
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Danny,
Another spectacular piece you have acquired. I have never seen this scabbard style. In at least one of the current reference books the author claims that these scabbards were peened after application of the traditional motif indicating reuse and modification of existing stock. Obviously this is not the case. I also have one that indicates that the traditional tassel motif was added after the scabbard was peened.
The blade on your dagger has a really long ricasso similar to the 1919-1921 model blades. It is in fabulous condition. Any indication of the manufacturer? Great dagger!! Thanks for sharing.
Kindest regards, RIck
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Hi Rick,
I have know idea who the maker could be. I believe the long ricasso can be explained by the fact that the blade was shortened to fit the delux scabbard. I was told this was quite common in the imperial period.
Here's one of my favourite imperial cadet daggers. I love the extremely long size of the blades.
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Sorry,but I am thinking it is fake dagger.
1.The C.Eickhorn design scabbard is in combination with WKC mark on the blade.
2.The design of the pommel and the anchor on the crossquard are the little bit different than in the C.Eickhorn cataloque.
3.The remains of gilding in crossquard,pommel and scabbard hollows are absolute missing.
4.The blade is not damascus but artifical damascus (but it was possibly in imperial naval daggers).
regards.Sergiy.
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Sorry,my post is particularly by the Dannys post in 07\19\13.
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I don't know how I should respond to comments like this.
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To refute just a little bit first item from my list.
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Sergy,
As experienced collectors know a line drawing in a catalogue is hardly the definition to use for identification. Please remember that variation is common during these times and uniformity and mass production was not a part of the process. These daggers show variation as they each are hand crafted by artisans and each one has variation. I honestly have never seen two alike in all of my collecting years.
1) This is a custom scabbard, not standard as shown in the catalogue. All makers offered this option and there are many, many variations. This is a topic in itself.
2) See opening comment
3) That is not what I see. Remainder of guilting is clearly evident.
4) Looks like damascus to me. What is it that makes you think otherwise?
Dealing with Imperial Navy daggers is not the same as Third Reich. There are many good references by Johnson, WIttmann and Hampe on Imperial Naval Edged weapons. It took me a great while to really learn this topic and I am still learning today, 15 years later. I suggest you handle as many genuine pieces as possible to get a feel for them.
Rick
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Rick,
I don`t agree with you for all four points.I never do believe the WKC firm had to use the Eickhorn design with pommels,crossguards and scabbards produktions.Similarly we are to suppose the Daimler Chrysler used the BMW design or on the contrary.The legends about mutual useing fittings of COMPETITIVE firms-was a good calling of unfair dilers for growth of postwar daggers and part daggers retail.
About p.3. I don`t see the remains of gilding and laquer and dirt or grey scurf(setting) in the crossguard and scabbard holes as well after 100(!!!) years of living this dagger.Instead of this I may see the the pink hint of new brass item in the holes.
P.4.The distinctive feature of the true damasc steel is the absolutly different patterns on the different levels of blade thickness.In this dagger i see the lines are not interrupted in the jump from ricasso to edge.This is testify about not real "damast stahl".
This dagger was made "yesterday"(recently).
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Sergiy,
Regarding your first comment, I do agree with you as to your point applying to the Kaiserzeit era and that there is no documentation that manufactures bought parts from one another. However, later in the late 1930-40s, there is documented evidence from factory records that indeed they filled orders for one another. Tom Johnson has documented this in his reference works.
Point 3, I think the lighting of the photo makes detail such as guilting difficult. The pink color could be a reflection of the copper flash coat that was applied prior to gold glutting. Quality daggers had a two step procedure. The wear patterns seem original to me.
Point 4. We simply have to respectfully agree to disagree. I understand your point but my all WKC damascus blades feature a similar trait.
In summary, I think this dagger is all original and I would be happy to buy one like it from you at any time.
Best, Rick
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I wish you good luck in collecting!
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Rick, thanks for your detailed and clear explanation. It is highly appreciated.
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