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#254897 11/24/2011 03:58 AM
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It looks like the 11 days of posts are lost, so I will repost my Eickhorn Kriegsmarine collection.

First up is a 1st Navy with the double oval serrated tail TM. It is a plain blade, lightning bolt scabbard version with Kreigsmarine depot stamping on the blade.

Obverse.JPG (40.85 KB, 580 downloads)
Reverse.JPG (40.81 KB, 575 downloads)
Obverse Grip.JPG (40.29 KB, 577 downloads)
Pommel.JPG (40.94 KB, 576 downloads)
Obverse Crossguard.JPG (41.28 KB, 576 downloads)
Reverse Grip.JPG (40.03 KB, 578 downloads)
Reverse Crossguard.JPG (40.34 KB, 572 downloads)
TM & Depot Marking.JPG (40.64 KB, 572 downloads)

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This is a double oval serrated tail TM on an etched blade with a lightning bolt scabbard and the TR pommel.

Obverse.JPG (39.22 KB, 574 downloads)
Reverse.JPG (39.84 KB, 572 downloads)
Obverse Grip.JPG (40.1 KB, 574 downloads)
Obverse Pommel.JPG (40.07 KB, 572 downloads)
Obverse Crossguard.JPG (39.74 KB, 571 downloads)
Obverse Etch.JPG (39.42 KB, 570 downloads)
Reverse Grip.JPG (40.31 KB, 566 downloads)
Reverse Etch.JPG (38.62 KB, 570 downloads)
TM.JPG (39.57 KB, 566 downloads)

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The 35-41 seated squirrel holding sword TM on an etched blade with a lightning bolt scabbard.

Obverse.JPG (39.75 KB, 564 downloads)
Reverse.JPG (40.04 KB, 563 downloads)
Obverse Grip.JPG (38.1 KB, 560 downloads)
Obverse Pommel.JPG (40.2 KB, 558 downloads)
Obverse Crossguard.JPG (38.92 KB, 561 downloads)
Obverse Etch.JPG (39.18 KB, 556 downloads)
Reverse Grip.JPG (38.79 KB, 558 downloads)
Reverse Crossguard.JPG (41.4 KB, 555 downloads)
Reverse Etch.JPG (39.57 KB, 552 downloads)
TM.JPG (39.83 KB, 559 downloads)

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This is the 35-41 seated squirrel holding sword on a plain blade, with an ivory grip and a hammered scabbard.

Funny, how the much harder to find plain blade just isn't as attractive to collectors as the easily found etched blades.

Obverse.JPG (40.49 KB, 547 downloads)
Reverse.JPG (40.23 KB, 548 downloads)
Obverse Grip.JPG (39.14 KB, 545 downloads)
Obverse Pommel.JPG (39.83 KB, 542 downloads)
Obverse Hilt.JPG (40.39 KB, 547 downloads)
Obverse Crossguard.JPG (40.74 KB, 539 downloads)
Reverse Grip.JPG (38.39 KB, 541 downloads)
TM.JPG (40.04 KB, 538 downloads)

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The first of my 42 over shoulder squirrel TMs is on an etched blade with a hammered scabbard.

Obverse.JPG (39.89 KB, 535 downloads)
Reverse.JPG (40.56 KB, 534 downloads)
Obverse Grip.JPG (39 KB, 530 downloads)
Obverse Pommel.JPG (39.25 KB, 530 downloads)
Obverse Crossguard.JPG (40.3 KB, 533 downloads)
Obverse Etch.JPG (39.32 KB, 531 downloads)
Reverse Grip.JPG (38.98 KB, 532 downloads)
Reverse Crossguard.JPG (40.2 KB, 530 downloads)
Reverse Etch.JPG (39.75 KB, 528 downloads)
tm.JPG (40.03 KB, 525 downloads)

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I also have this same over shoulder TM on a plain blade with a lightning bolt scabbard.

Obverse.JPG (39.91 KB, 531 downloads)
Reverse.JPG (38.93 KB, 525 downloads)
Obverse Grip.JPG (39.1 KB, 532 downloads)
Obverse Pommel.JPG (38.9 KB, 524 downloads)
Obverse Crossguard.JPG (40.54 KB, 526 downloads)
Reverse Grip.JPG (39.34 KB, 522 downloads)
Reverse Pommel.JPG (39.11 KB, 516 downloads)
Reverse Crossguard.JPG (40.75 KB, 520 downloads)
TM 1.JPG (39.59 KB, 519 downloads)

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So far, you have seen that I collect these daggers by blade variation, but when I was offered this at an SOS, I jumped at it.

This is a 42 over shoulder mark on a plain blade. But, crossguards differ, no release button and the scabbard is a thing of beauty.

Obverse.JPG (39.95 KB, 515 downloads)
Reverse.JPG (39.76 KB, 507 downloads)
Obverse Grip.JPG (40.94 KB, 512 downloads)
Obverse Crossguard Closeup.JPG (41.36 KB, 512 downloads)
Obverse Pommel.JPG (41.47 KB, 505 downloads)
Reverse Grip.JPG (38.17 KB, 516 downloads)
Reverse Crossguard.JPG (41.42 KB, 509 downloads)
TM.JPG (39.84 KB, 507 downloads)
Obverse Scabbrd Top.JPG (39.74 KB, 508 downloads)
Obverse Scabbard Bottom.JPG (41.09 KB, 508 downloads)

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The last Kriegsmarine dagger I have to show you is a MAX show pickup.

It has a scabbard that is not one we associate with Eicks, but the whole thing looks like it has been together for a long time.

It has a plain blade and a lightning bolt scabbard. The grip is cracked.

But, look at the TM.... the over shoulder squirrel by itself... no writing,no Eickhorn. How about that?

John

Obverse.JPG (41.46 KB, 508 downloads)
Reverse.JPG (41.16 KB, 507 downloads)
Obverse Grip.JPG (40.36 KB, 507 downloads)
Obverse Pommel.JPG (39.55 KB, 506 downloads)
Obverse Crossguard.JPG (41.08 KB, 506 downloads)
Reverse Grip.JPG (39.31 KB, 503 downloads)
Reverse Pommel.JPG (39.11 KB, 504 downloads)
Reverse Crossguard.JPG (38.28 KB, 507 downloads)
TM 42 Squirrel Only.JPG (39.26 KB, 505 downloads)
Two 42 Marks.jpg (91.09 KB, 506 downloads)

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When it comes to Eickhorns John,, you have all the variations. Despite the condition of the last one you posted, "which is not that bad" the logo itself is a great addition to your collection.


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I'll be honest with you John, I never cared much for the naval daggers and to date I don't own any. After seeing your pictures I'll be keeping an eye out and picking up the next deal I find. I like the variations of the Eickhorn trademarks, and you show them well. Nice job.

Rich


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My latest Kriegs dagger, by Eickhorn, of course, is a grip variation. I do not normally collect these daggers by grip or scabbard, but this one is the second Kriegs dagger where I have broken my rule.

Look and see why.

John

Obverse.JPG (40.71 KB, 533 downloads)
Reverse.JPG (41.04 KB, 535 downloads)
Obverse Hilt.JPG (40.46 KB, 533 downloads)
Reverse Grip.JPG (40.53 KB, 531 downloads)
Obverse Pommel.JPG (38.84 KB, 535 downloads)
Obverse Crossgaurd.JPG (39.57 KB, 534 downloads)
Reverse Pommel.JPG (39.65 KB, 533 downloads)
Reverse Crossgaurd.JPG (40.17 KB, 533 downloads)
TM.JPG (38.98 KB, 531 downloads)
Obverse Etch.JPG (38.67 KB, 526 downloads)

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John,
I see why you broke your rule, and for good reason. It's the rarest navy you got (IMHO). Black gripped 2nd model Navies did exist but are truly rare to find.
There's a fine example in one of Johnson's books who's owner was royalty.
Congratulations on this find. smile

For me, I'll take rarity over condition almost always.
Any more info you can tell us on this one?

BTW...all you daggers are wonderful and I want to extend my appreciation of you being a 'Sharing Collector' of note.

Best of Quest,
Serge



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Very interesting to see the variations John. This is another reference thread that will help many! Really like the special order scabbard, the hand work is great! Also the black handled one is new to me, what was the conotation of wearing this color grip?? Kevin.


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@Kevin,
there is no conotation for wearing a 1938 pattern dagger with a black grip. 1919/1921, yes, but not later.
Rgds;
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There are many things we see that we do not understand yet they do exist and are period pieces.
I prefer to believe we are all still learning.
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Here is special Navy just in from the cold.

It has a crossguard that we are not used to seeing on TR or late Weimar Eickhorns, but one that I am told was used by Eick up to the 1920's. It has a really neat chased scabbard, but a plain blade. It is a 1st model Kriegsmarine with a never seen by me before maker mark, the Eick single oval over C.E.

John

Obverse.JPG (40.04 KB, 394 downloads)
Reverse.JPG (41.23 KB, 393 downloads)
Obverse Grip.JPG (40.1 KB, 388 downloads)
Obverse Pommel.JPG (39.74 KB, 394 downloads)
Obverse Crossguard.JPG (41.22 KB, 395 downloads)
Reverse Grip.JPG (40.48 KB, 396 downloads)
Reverse Pommel.JPG (39.87 KB, 386 downloads)
Reverse Crossguard.JPG (40.09 KB, 394 downloads)
Obverse Blade.JPG (41.28 KB, 390 downloads)
TM.JPG (91.38 KB, 387 downloads)

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John,this is amazing piece,congrats


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Very unique Eickhorn mark and that scabbard...WOW!! Kevin.


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Beautiful piece John, wonderful detail and one you can spend your time studying with a big smile smile


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What a navy - wonderful diverse collection.


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That is a thing of beauty! well done


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John,

You really have a good eye and a fantastic collection that you always share with us all. Thank you.

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Wow this is very special.
Thanks for sharing.
I always wondered how much extra one of these hand chased scabbards cost in the time. Any idea?

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I don't normally collect Imperial because the TR period is more than enough to keep me busy.

But, this new piece from Tom W was one that I really wanted to add to the collection... it is an Imperial piece with the back to back squirrel TM.

So, here it is, just arrived in the Great White North.

John

Obverse.JPG (40.18 KB, 353 downloads)
Reverse.JPG (41.25 KB, 349 downloads)
Obverse Grip.JPG (40.03 KB, 350 downloads)
Reverse Grip.JPG (38.82 KB, 350 downloads)
TM.JPG (39.46 KB, 350 downloads)
Obverse Etch.JPG (39.48 KB, 351 downloads)
Obverse Etch Front.JPG (39.49 KB, 349 downloads)
Obverse Etch Mid.JPG (39.59 KB, 353 downloads)
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That's cool.
John is the scabbard brass?

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... there are some nice daggers, a few things I do not understand from a first glance, but maybe that's just me. One or two things I would like to hold in my hand. As Paul mentioned, we are all learning.

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The scabbard and all fittings are magnetic.. iron based.

John


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I also saw that one on TW's John. A real nice piece that I pondered a while. I'm glad that you got it.


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Hello, John.
I know one more manufacturer's logo for the 35-41, seated squirrel holding sword TM on an etched blade with a lightning bolt scabbard.
Regards,
Oleg.

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It is a logo there is a bad. This production after war in 50-60 years.Look at word solingen writing.
And this person tries to prove all the return.This person is a little not in himself. Recently they began to appear. Before them who didn't see.At what all in perfect tune.
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@alien, can you -please- explain why you do think this certain dagger (or at least it´s logo - which would say that at least the blade is "bad") shown by Oleg67 is "bad"?

@Oleg67 can you -please- show us more details from this dagger?

Thank you in advance, regards,

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Hi Wotan.
Alien says that this logo is bad because he has heard such nonsense from an "expert" about 6 years ago. Even alien has no theoretical knowledge, but also tries to position itself as an expert. A similar dagger with this logo is in the collection of Vic Diehl and can also be seen in the book of Vic and Hermann.
The other details of my dagger I like to show. A Textbook Eickhorn in all parts.
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Oleg.

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Some more pics.

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IMG_1424.JPG (79.1 KB, 417 downloads)
IMG_1425.JPG (85.04 KB, 418 downloads)
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Some more.

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And finally a picture from the book of Vic and Hermann. Please note the Logo.
Regards Oleg.

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Originally Posted By: wotan
@alien, can you -please- explain why you do think this certain dagger (or at least it´s logo - which would say that at least the blade is "bad") shown by Oleg67 is "bad"?

@Oleg67 can you -please- show us more details from this dagger?

Thank you in advance, regards,

Hallo Wotan,
Pay attention to the word Solingen.These daggers started appearing in large quantities now.Before them nobody saw, even here at a forum only once it was shown.If other logos appear constantly.All these daggers with this logo in very good condition.In bad condition they aren't present in general as with Eickhorn's other logos.I when that had such dagger with such logo (shaft) which obviously was made in not pre-war time.
You saw at least once such dagger in the untwisted look?
Forgive for my English.
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Hello Wotan,

as you can see, have the "arguments" of Alien also nothing to do with logic. Because if these daggers were produced in 50-60 years, where they were until now when Alien says that these daggers appear only in the last few years?
That the Alien has seen too little in his life, is not an argument at all, but his imagination. As far as I know, comes the dagger of the Vic `s collection from an american veteran.

Regards,
Oleg.

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In these fairy tales long ago any more don't trust. Into the account of veterans.Well what not from an attic brought.Tell please why so very few people saw them about one today?Why all of them in a good condition?Why such bad writing of letters in words?Why this subject is three years old and anybody still didn't put this logo? Similar brands were put on bayonets and Heer daggers.If and is farther will proceed that in the near future and etched logos recognize for the original.
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Gentlemen, after this post from Alien, you can really see who is not im himself. grin
The Alien does not read books, he has seen too little daggers, he does not believe in the opinions of experienced people. And these are the "arguments" of a self-made "everything connoisseur". I do not see at all with such a "specialist" to discuss any sense to me. He has much to learn. I think that the people who deal with the subject of Naval Daggers, these people have read enough books and seen enough daggers. A KM dagger with the same logo can be seen in the book by Thomas Wittmann. On the image from the original Eickhorn catalog.
But, as I already said, the alien does not read books. frown
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