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WWII #273501 11/06/2012 08:25 PM
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By chance, did you get it? I'd be pleased to hear that you or one of our other members did.



Not me Bill. The seller wouldn't accept paypal, a definate roadblock here on ebay america unless you have a friend in Germany to help out.

Someone was lucky enough to snagged it for 1 euro + shipping.

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Mikee,

Thanks for posting the link to that thread, those are without a doubt some lovely items from your collection. It's funny that we tend to forget all the wonderful things we got to see in some of these older posts. I think it's good to link those together like this, lest we fail to remember. Oh, and yes, how the time flies!

It's always pleasurable being able to add some small bit of pertinent info, someday it might be helpful to one of our members - especially good if it's one of those stalwarts who always contribute throughout the forums. My hat's off to all of you gentleman - helping each other is always key in this hobby.

I spoke to a couple of friends earlier today who are both pretty big into porcelain and they agreed that the plates definitely looked like Mettlach. We compared the pastel color palette to several, early VB/Mettlach, incised, decorated beersteins and found them to be nearly identical. I have to write this one other old collector to see if he might have some other photos or references on the subject that he could share?

Thanks again for all the input fellas. wink

Best!

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Ps John, we'll have to find a nice squirrel for Mr. Mike

Dean, your post was before mine, sorry you didn't get it either, dang.

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Found a Sitting White to complete the Pack.

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Them dogs sure do have nice surroundings.

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Tristan,

You sure know how to keep a promise, you said you'd get them all and there they are! I admire your determination and resolve good sir, you are without a doubt the 'alpha-dog' of Allach. grin wink

Congratulations and thanks for sharing your latest find.

A recent addition too, a (dwarf) Min-Pinscher by Theodor Kärner, for Rosenthal.

This example is one of Kärner's earliest contributions to the repertoire of Rosenthal animal figurines. He left the Nymphenburg studios after World War I and immediately started working for Rosenthal, late 1918. The bottom of the decorative, elongated-oval base is marked with the company's 1920 logo, impressed/incised pattern number 42, and the artist's name, T KARNER.

What I find striking about this piece is the gilded base. We're all familiar with the golden highlights that decorate plates, teacups, figures and so on. That being said, this is the first time I've seen or owned an example with the entire base finished off in a bronze-gold color. The finish is so different from the opaque white glass, that it looks as though the dog is actually sitting on a piece of aged, gilded metal. The finish, patina and condition of the base is unbelievable for its age, there are no areas where the gilding has been over-zealously buffed thin or even scratched. It lends much to the overall Art Deco feeling.

The little pooch looks every bit the tough guy ... maybe small, but fearless and resolute. grin The detail to the head and face is pure Kärner, he simply brings these things alive with a master's touch. His keen sense of animal anatomy, structure, proportion and balance is in a league all its own, and if the lighting and shadows are just right, it adds even more pep and zing to his fine zoological sculptures.

Best!

Bill

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Tristan,

I don't mind stating this again because your collection is fantastic and as always a real pleasure to see. Congrats on your lastest treasure.

That's a nice piece Bill! I love paintings done on porcelain, it doesn't matter type as long as it's done well, so I've seen a few over the years. The artist did a real nice job that's for sure. That's as real looking as it gets IMO.

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The fun never ends in this thread, it seems. Such great finds. Great work on completing your pack of handsome canines, Tristan! Bill, that little Karner pooch is very elegant and the gilding sets off the white porcelain very nicely.

It's been a while since I've contributed, but I've finally picked up a sort-of relevant equine to share. I'm very excited because this is one of my 'Holy Grail Horses' and I was able to buy him at a local auction for much less than the market price.

This hefty lad (10" x 13") is a Bing & Grondahl Belgian draft horse stallion, made in Denmark. It's a later piece, with the backstamp dating it as being made between 1970-1983. It was sculpted by Svend Jespersen (1895 - 1985). B&G porcelain is typically finished in muted, almost pastel colors with a thin, milky glaze, giving the wares a tell-tale soft coloring. This style of coloring, however, does not diminish the quality of the sculpt, which is excellent. You can see the buckles on the halter and surcingle (chest band), as will as the braids in his mane and the ripple of powerful muscles.

As I said, I'm thrilled to finally add him to my herd, where he'll occupy a position of pride for a long time to come (at least until I find my next Holy Grail Horse!)

T.




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Thanks all for your comments...and for more interesting pieces from Bill and Tiberius! The thread rolls on!!

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My latest purchase when I was in Germany. Olympic Torch Bearer, 24.5 cm high. No manufacturer name, but has mold number 12594 on bottom. Jim

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Gents,

Great seeing everyone's latest finds ... I guess what they say is true, when it rains, it pours.

Tiberius, that's a beauty. I've seen this model and was quite impressed, it looks like one of those fabulous paintings by Paul Casberg. You can really feel the solidity and strength of this animal, a powerhouse of energy. The braided mane gives it a certain touch of class and elegance, an effective counter-balance to all those bulging muscles and sinew. Can't wait to see your next "HGH..."

Jim, Your Olympic Torchbearer Mod.12594, was produced by the Seltmann Weiden company. There's a small flame insert missing from the top of the torch, do you still have that? A nice Art Deco piece.

I thought some might like to see another example of Willi Münch Khe's small, slender-legged animals? We saw some of his fine work pictured and mentioned earlier in the thread, fawns and donkeys I believe?

I haven't seen this model often and feel lucky to have scooped it up, as there's a nice early 1920 Rosenthal mark under the base of this fawn cleaning itself. Often, the delicate balance of his subjects is his trademark style and technique, making them easy to spot.

Hope you might enjoy and good collecting ... wink

Bill

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Bill, didn't know it had an insert, I bought it just like it is. Jim


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Jim,

Yes, I'm fairly certain this is the same model as yours, no?
In the second photo it looks like it's in a bisque-finish, but I think that's the same one too?

Bill

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Bill, it is, I thought it was a candle holder when I bought the statue. Now I know that it is missing the flame. Probably hard to find one. Jim


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Jim,

I'd imagine a small birthday-type candle would certainly do the trick? If you'd like I'll keep my eye open for one of these models for you, possibly a damaged, less-expensive one where you could salvage the flames from?

Gary Southgate sent me this photo from a recent militaria-show in Kassel, Germany. A splendid porcelain figure by Allach that was offered for sale, of Richard Förster's Landsknecht, a mediaeval mercenary armed with his massive "double-hander" sword. Not a large piece by any means but ever so impressive, rare and expensive. It's not hard to see why. For those who haven't seen this model pictured in the recently published Allach books by Dennis Porell, (see page 75 of this thread for a painted version) you might not get to see one any time soon at the local gunshow and even seldom at auction. Most definitely a "big-ticket" item, not something I'll be adding to my menagerie in the near future, but I thought some might like to have a look at this extremely fine sculpture.

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Jim,

I'd imagine a small birthday-type candle would certainly do the trick? If you'd like I'll keep my eye open for one of these models for you, possibly a damaged, less-expensive one where you could salvage the flames from?

Best! wink

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Would appreciate it Bill.


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Bill...to say nothing of the other coloured Allach pieces hiding away there!!! Wow, some grouping!

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Thanks for sharing that photo, Bill. That's really a fine Landsknecht figure, for sure! I confess, though, that my eyes immediately went to the Goebel mounted Royal Life Guard figure behind - primarily because I have one as well. Vast price differential between the that and the Allach, though!

Also, I've just purchased a rare porcelain horse piece that I am very excited to add to my collection. Well wishes for safe shipping are appreciated! smile

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Tristan, Tiberius,

Glad you enjoyed Gary's snap, there's nothing like a bit of inspiration to fuel our own interests, pursuits and dreams. I can honestly say that my heart-rate goes up a few notches every time I look at work like this. There's nothing quite like seeing one of these military/equestrian figures in perfect condition, and even better than that, having one or two to admire in our own collections!

Looking forward to seeing your new horse T, may the postal-gods smile on its safe journey and arrival ... wink

Even though money has been particularly tight this past year, between us, we've still turned up some mighty fine pieces. This Meissen "Fischotter," will most likely be my last buy of 2012, though, I've wanted one of Max's sleek little critters for years and it was well worth the wait. Max Esser produced this sculpture in 1931, and it comes in fine white as well as Böttger-Steinzeug. Good Steinzeug is a much-refined stoneware, something they discovered just before perfecting the formula for "white gold," back around 1707. The Böttger recipe was shelved for the most part, but much later there came a renewed interest in this fine casting material, during the first quarter of the 20th century. What do you boys make of the red-brown stone?

There's a great feel to this lithe, intelligent animal, such graceful curves to its wonderful shape. The expressive face, posture of the forearms and paw structure is akin to looking at a photograph, striking realism to my eye. Master Esser also produced works that were quite abstract and modern. He studied under some brilliant instructors. Please enjoy...

I'd like to take a moment to wish everyone the best of holidays. Hopefully, the New Year brings lots of good collecting experiences to all of us!

Bill

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Bill, The intelligence of the animal comes through so well in that representation and a worthy close to the year!
Best wishes to all for 2013 and happy collecting!

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Bill, that is a great Esser piece. I've always appreciated the wet-clay finish of Bottger wares. That dull luster works really well in context of the animal's water-soaked pelt and the waves on the base. Very nice way to close out your collecting year and glad that you can finally add him to your menagerie.

By the way, It seems that your appeal to the postal gods was well received.

The Fed Ex man delivered this beauty to my door yesterday.

This is a Rosenthal piece, dating to the 1950's. It was originally sculpted by Fritz Heidenreich in 1948, and is titled 'Araber' ('Arabian' - though it doesn't really resemble that breed type). It is cast in bisque porcelain with a clear satin glaze. Unlike most horse sculptures produced by Rosenthal, this piece has a raw, artistic look in that the surface detail isn't perfectly smoothed out. Instead, there are many sharply defined sculpting and tool marks still visible. It's a nice size, measuring about 10 inches tall at the eartips.

Apologies for the number of photos, but this piece really needs to be seen from various angles.

Happy holidays and best wishes for successful collecting to all!

T.








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T n' T,

Let's hear it for the gods, yaay!! ... wink grin

Nice to see your fine unit arrived safe and unharmed, that's a good-looking piece.

Thanks for the crisp photos as I've never seen this model before, it would go well together with Hussmann's bust of Hannibal. (pg. 73)

I really admire the smart way Heidenreich did the base, the oak leaf and laurel-sprig combination is an excellent touch. This sculpture would make for a solid central-piece when viewed together with any of the various German medals, decorations and awards that share the same leaf-motif. wink

The finish reminds me of the two large, semi-matte sports figures produced by Obermaier/Rosenthal in the early thirties. It lends a much softer feeling to the subject, quite different from a cold, high-gloss coating.

It certainly seems as though you're ending the year on a high-note too, and I hope your luck will continue throughout 2013, as well to all our friends here on the forums.

Best!

B~

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The year is off to a flying start! I've been looking for a 1942 coloured Julteller for over a year and now found one in almost pristine condition;the colours stand out beautifully as originally intended, with no dulling or scratching.

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Tristan,

That is a good way to start the New Year, congrats on your find! The four plates truly make for an awesome display and would grace any kind of WWII collection. Most non-collectors would have no idea of what they're looking at - maybe that's one reason why any TR porcelain that has survived at all? Mute testiment to history, the foundation of all that's the present..?

Here's hoping 2013 will bring you lot's more fine things that you'll share with us, thanks mate!

Here's another piece of Steinzeug by Meissen, a very simple or even minimalist, Art Deco bear. Possibly a cub getting his/her first fishing lesson, just looking and waiting ...

The solid mass and single color of the Steinzeug seems to lend itself well to that modernist, or futuristic, Deco look. Quite a different feel to the stark white bears in the second photo -a pair of full-grown grizzlies or browns having a slight disagreement. Realism at its finest, portrayed by Max Hermann Fritz, a fine pair by any standards.

Please enjoy! wink

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Those are some great bear sculptures, Bill. I'm especially impressed by the power of the second piece.

Just catching up with my latest porcelain ponies.



A large gray stallion by Cortendorf of Germany, probably circa 1950-1960, which was also made in a smaller sized version. Cortendorf was later purchased by Goebel. The style reminds me of Adolf Rohring's sculpture for Allach.



And speaking of Goebel, I was finally able to lay hands on this beautiful piece sculpted by Bochmann, dated 1969. Goebel released this piece in bisque white, matte bay, and this fine gloss bay coloring - which is the rarest to come by and my favorite of the three finishes. The glaze really adds richness to the sculpt, I think.

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I don't add anything to this thread because quite frankly I don't know enough about it. That being said, this is an amazing education on these fine pieces of art.

To all involved in this 32 page thread I would like to say thank you for posting these beautiful items!!!

Absolutely stunning!!!

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Thanks Bill, and to Rich for his kind comments. We ALL have LOTS to learn!
...and more horses from Tiberius. Lovely pieces.
I have added another Karner horse to the collection. I cannot afford the Karner Allach jumping horse but this is very similar in style, if not in rarity and desirability, the main difference being in the tail length
It is a Rosenthal 1940, model 773, not as detailed as Allach.
One point...as I say, from my Rosenthal book the logo points to 1940, yet Karner was still making Hussar figures for Allach in 1942! Can anyone help with that apparant discrepancy? Certainly all his animal figures seem to be prior to 1940, and I wonder if he moved to Rosentahl then but completed some later Allach figures as a one-off??

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Tristan,

That's a very handsome Rosenthal horse, one I'd love to add to my herd at some point. Nice find with a good early mark.

Speaking off the top of my head, I wonder if it's possible that Karner worked for both companies at the same time. I don't see why this wouldn't be possible unless Karner had an exclusive contract with either. Hopefully someone can provide a more knowledgeable answer. smile

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Great additions to your collections guys.

Bill, I like the slender and detailed lines, the nice detail to the whiskers,nose,eyes and ears and paws, they really stand out on this one. I like the grizzly sculptor. it's fantastic IMO. I've seen the painted versions of your Grizzly before and although I prefer painted porcelain your Grizzly is far better than the painted versions IMO.

T, Well worth the wait, I'd be on pins and needles waiting for it to arrive. I like the rustic look of the chisel marks and the design of the base is brilliant. It's a very nice piece and your right it doesn't resemble Arabian, but it wouldn't bother me that's for sure.

True story, Sorry can't divulge a name, but while in Italy a few years back I visited a famous and very talented Italian sculptor at his home in the country side. We had a great lunch with some wine, "well, okay a lot of wine" and he invited me to have a peek at his latest sculpture that he was working on, which was almost complete. It was sculpted of white carrera marble, a massive and beautiful piece of art work. Before I knew it, he hands me a hammer and chisel and we begin to chip away at this massive beauty and as I was working on the facial area, all I could think about was making one wrong move and knocking it's nose off. This marble sculpture now sets in ROME. Minus it's nose! lol.

Tristan, I love your plates and the Karner horse is always a treat to see. Thanks for showing them!

T, Maybe because the molds were kept at the factory and used at different times, exclusive rights?

Thank you all! Kidding, the nose, still intact thank God!




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Thanks for the thoughts on Karner. One further interesting point is that in Allach figures, post 1938, he signs himself 'Prof.', but in this Rosenthal piece (1940) that distinction is absent...interesting!

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Always interesting with this stuff but again probably molds used at different times?

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Fellow Collectors,

Always a pleasure seeing what my mates have turned up recently, as well as reading your comments and thoughts.

Tiberius, that gray-dapple horse does looks like both August Göhring's and Adolf Rohring's rearing stallions and the color-scheme puts me in mind of Kärner's earlier horse models for Nymphenburg. The best of all worlds, hard to beat that. Compliments on your two new acquisitions.

Rich, good to hear you're enjoying the thread, I know my colleagues will enjoy hearing that, thanks.

Tristan, that 773 is a fine horse too, really a lovely sculpture. K's carried over his "Nymphenburg-style" of support base, those big splashy kind which I thought were outstanding for their time by far, they were pretty much instantly recognizable.

Kärner first carved and introduced Model 773 in 1933-34, and was then under contract to Rosenthal. They basically owned the figure and in future could reproduce it any time they saw fit. (as demand called) Therefore, your 1940 edition may be a second, third or fourth run ..? maybe there were earlier than 1940 production runs? But that explains the later date while the professor was employed with Allach. I'm fairly certain that was pretty much an "exclusive contract," with the boys in black. Maybe he was allowed to consult, but I don't think he actually produced works for other companys during his time at Allach? Can anyone say for certain?

Mikee, that had to be a very memorable experience, any photos you could share? It's great watching a good artist at work, they make everything look so damn easy! wink

Best regards!

Bill

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Thanks Bill, that makes sense...I cannot see Heini allowing any of his pet schemes to be potentially compromised by other Firms!

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Wanted to share a recent find ...

An Art Deco falcon by Hutschenreuther, say mid-1920s, judging by the mark. These are found having the additional line under the logo, "Abteilung für Kunst." Not sure of the sculptor just yet, though if I had to choose, I'd say Professor Fritz Klee..? I've checked every resource I know of and only found one other example, a painted model. They couldn't tell me anything about the piece, but one thing they knew for certain was that they wanted a lot of money for it, heh! Any info identifying the artist would be most appreciated.

Hope everyone's well and having good luck with your own collections.

Best!

Bill

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Don't worry about finding one I had an accident and lost a few valuable pieces of my collection and this was one.

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Jim,

I'd imagine a small birthday-type candle would certainly do the trick? If you'd like I'll keep my eye open for one of these models for you, possibly a damaged, less-expensive one where you could salvage the flames from?

Best! wink

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Jim,

Sorry to hear about your misfortune, I hope nothing happened to that beautiful Meissen hawk? eek

I've had a couple that came to Humpty-Dumpty endings too ...
it always bites and leaves a miserable feeling!

B~


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Bill, the hawk is still alive. Jim


Looking for EKI spanges, first model intermediate and second model L/12.
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Tristan,

A bit late in response but here is an associate of your statue of "Der Alte Fritz", "The Falconer"

Regards,

John Pepera

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