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Hapur,
Did you also make the die's for your rings?

Hope you don't mind me asking,are you from Germany? If so, did any of your family members ever produce any items for the Reich?

Thanks

Sepp
GDC 0292 Gold

Yes Sepp I make die's myself.
No I'm not from Germany. My greatgrandfather have made some private purchase rings and other stuff, as souvenirs for German soldiers, or more correct would be said that he continued manufacturing souvenirs during wartime, never official stuff for Reich.

Hapur, My compliments for the nice machine tool work on the die you posted. I think that they are generally known as “trim” dies to shear (cut) off the excess material known as “flash”. I also know from another discussion a long while back on something else. That in different parts of U.S. sometimes (but not always) different expressions are used. But think that “trim” die is closest to an industry standard.

Have a good weekend!!! Best Regards, FP

This is incredible interesting hapur

Keep up the GOOD work

What a great thread!! I learned something today.

Thanks Jim M for telling me about it!!!

It's been a real hoot for me watching my own TK ring being made. It you scroll up to the April 15 at 12:10 post mine is the top ring in the double stack as evidenced by the 42 which is visible. I had my name and birthdate engraved in the ring so there will be NO confusion as to it's being a copy in the future as it's a fooler to the uninitiated. The maker is from Latvia and takes Paypal. It took 8 days for the ring to arrive which I feel is excellent service.
Thanks again hapur for the educational thread and a job well done.

Note to Admin:
In my opinion this thread shoud be pinned so it isn't lost like so many others have been here. As far as I know; This is the ONLY place where the correct method of making these rings is documented.
Jim

Jim,
we gotta remember,,hapurs way is the method that most of the private purchase rings are made. Don agrees this is very close to the original method the HR was made but not exactly 100%..It does show/explain more than most sites so here it is.

your right though Jim,,it's a good thread,,and its my pleasure to feature it at the top..

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Gaspare:
Hopefully Don will now be encouraged to write a new book. The nice thing about having a resource like hapur is he could demonstrate the complete process with a little coaching from Don.
I think I need to point somethings out. On examination of my ring naturally none of the die flaws are present as would be expected since the Gahr dies aren't being used. Additionally even someone with hapurs skills can't get the engraving exactly right.
I don't think the owners of period rings have much to fear if they have done their homework before purchase.
Jim

While I don’t disagree with the general intent of the above. I would be reluctant to adopt a philosophy that assumes that even better and better rings could not be manufactured. With the question being more of: How much in the way of time and resources does the maker want to invest to make a good copy?

I have a small collection of coins that I started when I was very, very, young which has gotten only a little bigger as I grew older. So I am not really a “coin collector” as a hobby. Pictured below is an example of some pre-computer/modern technology engraving work (that used stamping dies) done in the 1920’s - with comparable quality going back for a considerable period of time.

I recently read of considerable concern in the coin collecting community of some very high grade fakes that are causing a lot of turmoil. As I recall the source was Asia. But it really could be anywhere, and apparently is something that is not new to them that has been an ongoing problem. My point being that I don’t think we can say something will never happen. And that we will have to remain always on the alert. FP

FP, you are certainly right:

http://reviews.ebay.com/Spotti...idZ10000000005234659

http://coinauctionshelp.com/Co...e_Morgan_Dollar.html



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I've been asked by several my opinion of the TK ring copy I had made by Hapur. Overall; I think the quality is excellent but It wouldn't fool anyone familiar with these rings since none of the die flaws are present. One of the nice things about this copy is it's full size unlike the prevelant cast examples. I did a little "tune up" to the skull to improve the appearance but I'll let this picture speak for itself:
Jim

As long as you are pleased,thats all that counts.
Seiler (yank in UK)

Incidentially the ring as it appears in the above picture is about 10 times the actual size. I did this on purpose so the details would show up better. It actually looks much better at its actual size.
Jim

I like it. A solid ring.
..And for less than the price of a sports car!

Thank you for posting the pictures Jim. It is a good looking ring. Makes an impressive statement when worn.

A realy nice ring Jim.

Mine is on the way to me from Hapur. The one I was wearing every day was the "R.Dolp" repro that Craig Gottlieb wrote about and pictured in his Honor Ring book. Obviously, I took it off and have been wearing a Mark Morton reproduction since and I am looking forward to one with my own name and birthday inscribed ...that is going to be my new 'daily driver'. Amazingly affordable and from a nice guy who has shown us a lot.

Mark

Best informative thread in a long time.

Thanks Hapur for sharing your skills with us.

Great old machinery.
Everything makes sense here...especially when you can see it step by step.

-serge-

I have been contacted by so many people asking for hapurs email address I decided to post it here:

minaeff@yahoo.com

I have no involvement financially or otherwise with this gentleman other than with the specific ring he made for me that you can see in the above pictures.
Jim

Some engraving examples.

Same rings, already on the way to new homes.

Geez hapur:
There's lots of familiar names there. If I'd known you were going to be this successful I'd have asked for a "promotional" copy for me!!
Jim

quote:

Originally posted by hapur:
Same rings, already on the way to new homes.

Hello Hapur,

glad to see "mine" is among them

Best

Ric

we are still waithing for the rings
this is not a proper way to build up some trust.

Not sure if this is the best place to post this, but please stay tuned for a research article that I hope will put the matter of original Totenkopf Ring manufacturing techniques to rest once and for all. I will publish it on my website in the "articles" section of my new Totenkopf Ring section.

I read your book and according to it, they were cast...is that not the case?

hapur has got it down to a science and does a great job on a nice reasonable repro....look at the names of our members he has made them for. Not a bad clientele.

Mark

http://www.craiggottlieb.com/d...lter=Totenkopf+Rings
Interesting update from Craig that kinda blows one of Dons theories away?!

Jon, pure speculation is all that is. No factual back up, just a general unsupported statement.

Mark

Craig,, His name is Don Boyle,,you like being called Gottlieb?!
Don was good enough when you needed him many years ago to help start this site! How many times have you've gone to him with HRs that you've thought real but were fake,,that he helped you from NOT buying..Now you just have to try and prove him wrong..

There is maybe a handful,,7? ,5? that knows what Don knows and has/owns.. You keep going Craig,,good thing Don doesn't play this bull**** game and is content with himself.

You made an elementary mistake in your book. If your trying to prove they were made from a rubber mold, or from a poured/gravity fed permanent mold your dead wrong and only the mis informed / naive will believe you anyway..

Well said,Gaspare.
I hate this BS point scoring.
Proves nothing.
Seiler

Hapur, I've sent you a PM and email.

Regards

Russ

gottlieb... you think Mr Don Boyle just made this up to fill space in his book??

"It was according to Boyle that Piechl had worked for Gahr. This connection was, according to Boyle, his source for much of the "inside-track" knowledge that he had on Totenkopf Rings and on Otto Gahr."

I can tell you who is "not" on Gaspare's short list of 7?5?
I would bet that 80% of what you know about these rings you learned from Don's book, the other 20% Don showed you!!!

ENOUGH

Sepp

This thread is very interesting and informative, but there seems to be a growing lack of politeness here.

Disagree with each other by all means but read the Code of Conduct again and try to state you points without insults.

Thanks
Dave

Calling someone by there last name is not an insult. Remember the term according to Hoyle. Now Boyle is Hoyle (The Physicicist (sp) in this regard. It is actually respectfull. As when we say Hohaus we think Black daggers . Otherwise it would be it would be like Cheech and Chong. Who is Dave... Dave is not here man. Oh that Dave.

I have a 21.12.44 , with DB COA . I wear it sometimes . OOpps.
- Joe
Torinojo2:
According to this post of about 2 years ago you have the above ring. Would you please post pictures so the membership here could see it.
jim

Jim - I really do **** with computers but here goes . http://picasaweb.google.com/Xd...#5374818943603311442

Hi, made another skull die. Would like to hear opinions about this skull.

Hello Richard,

I personally like it a lot, it looks closer the original one IMO.

Is it ready for mass production ?

Ric

Yap, you see the picture, that means it is already built.

i hold it ring, but saw one moment: too large compared to the original sshr
and skull fantasy