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I just received my Dagger SA Gustav Haker thanks to your advice I decided to buy, despite having the ball in the tip flattened and lack of a screw of the same the rest of this extremely well, from here I want to appeal that if someone could help I would appreciate one,these photos are what I did when I received:









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very nice piece. paul

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Nice dagger my friend

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You did good Vassago!! Very nice!


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Thank you very much everyone for your words my friend Solingen88 to kindly give me a couple of original screws so the dagger to be completed, thank you very much mate!!

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Hello mates, I have seen a transitional SA Dagger with marking "Eickhorn" in an exceptional state for sale, what do they deserve?





Thanks for your comments!

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There are two versions of the 1938 transitional maker mark by Eickhorn:

This one without the word 'Original' and one with the word 'Original' in the mark above the squirrel.

Recently, one like the one you show here without the word 'Original', in NM condition, was listed on Tom Wittmans's site for something like 1,100 or 1,200.

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Johnz Thanks for your reply, also found a picture of a manufacturing transitional "Eickhorn" also without the original squirrel over the year 1939, are both true and genuine?



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I would buy that at the drop of a hat very nice


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Vassago:

A while back there was some discussion and dispute about the no 'Original' TMs. The end result of that, if I remember correctly, is that these are fine.

I have the 1938 version both with and without 'Original' and would buy the 1939 version if I ever saw it.

I think that both versions are original, i fyou will pardon the pun.

John


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I'm highly surprised by the condition ! super find in deed.
thank you for showing us .
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Originally Posted By: Vassago
Hello mates, I have seen a transitional SA Dagger with marking "Eickhorn" in an exceptional state for sale, what do they deserve?





Thanks for your comments!


So understand that this is completely original SA Dagger? Do you not see any point of danger?

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I agree with John, for me both TMs are periode done too. Nice find Vassago.

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Thank you all for your responses, I have also seen an SA Daggers screw the seller says it is 900 mil silver although I recognize that it will be difficult to recognize if original vintage or not, this screw can be original era?




As always thanks for your answers.

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Hi buddies, I turn to you again to ask for your opinion on a hanger in a SA Dagger that I have been offered for sale, do you think the original time? I appreciate your comments.




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Fake. Made in Czech.

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Are you serious 777 or tell me a joke?

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Please explain your reasoning, but did you review?

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Originally Posted By: Vassago
Are you serious 777 or tell me a joke?


I'm dead serious, mate. I know these hangers, saw them being sold at half of the price of the originals at the militaria show in Prag. I remember hanger like this listed on ebay few years ago, as copy. There used to be discussion about these hangers here on GDC some time ago, and I posted the link as a proof.
The easiest way is always compare the clip with original - they do look different smile.

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Ok 777, as I saw seals more or less the correct saw even its RZM DRGM and I miss your answer and between originals are always differences, what you seen any critical point for sentencing? Thanks for your reply.

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Check these two originals from my collection pictured below. You have a pair of eyes, so you'll notice the difference in "A" and DRGM shape between these two and the Czech clip. The originals differ from each other, sure, but the fake hanger (including the marked leather)is known to me. I had a chance to keep it in my hand. The thickness and overall appearance is so much different than thickness and overall appearance of originals. I hope you feel convinced now.

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777 I am very grateful, especially for his reasoning convinced me completely, thank you very much for your explanation and your image to illustrate the post, so naturally and I do not care about your purchase, thank you very much for your message, a greeting! !

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Hi buddies, I turn again to you to tell you that I have seen a SA Dagger without markup at a reasonable price, but as always I would like your advice and opinion and ask a question by step if anyone you know, what that period are the daggers SA without manufacturing manufacturer? Are the third period? As always thank you very much for your attention and comments.





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Looks like Helbig. The crossguards look thicker and made of cast iron. Why it doesn't have a makers mark?? Strange, since it's not an early ground Röhm. I don't think everything's OK with that piece, wouldn't go for it if I were you.

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Thanks for your reply 777, I too have wondered why no labeling of manufacture but what if there were no Daggers SA is not marking as if there was such Daggers of the Heer, who have seen these if the original plate without time ....

If anyone has any knowledge of SA Daggers without marking it would be appreciated, all comments are welcome, I'm interested to know your opinion on that dagger in particular thanks for your comment 777 ...

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Originally Posted By: 777
Looks like Helbig. The crossguards look thicker and made of cast iron. Why it doesn't have a makers mark?? Strange, since it's not an early ground Röhm. I don't think everything's OK with that piece, wouldn't go for it if I were you.


Another thing that caught my attention is that you mention that the fittings are cast iron, never had heard that could make iron fittings at the time, is this so?

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Actually the only daggers with cast iron fittings I know are RZM Helbigs and these are very controversial. You can find them at serious dealers sites being sold as originals, but in opinion of some respectable long time collectors (e.g.Ron Weinand) they are post war Atwood product. There is one SS RZM Helbig presented in Wittmann Vol.IV and is described as an original piece. I handled couple of NSKK's Helbigs and I must say they looked decades old, no doubt about it, but if really Atwood "made" them (using many original parts), it was long time ago, so they are naturally aged.

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So it is possible that this is postwar SA Dagger? Or it may be an RZM M7/163 E. & A. Helbig, Steinbach, period? That certainly know that this manufacturing cast iron fittings manufactured ...

I am pleasantly surprised by their knowledge, I appreciate all your answers ...

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It's 7/73 F.u A. Helbig (brand name "Gaefler"), that is associated with cast iron crossguards, but I think the blade is not original to this dagger. Helbig etchings are very low quality, and here we can observe normal type etching, so I assume the blade belonged once to a ground Röhm dagger and whole item is a parts dagger.

Just one correction to my previous post: the SS Helbig dagger pictured in Wittmann Vol.IV is a transitional model.

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Over the years I have seen a very few SS-M36 service daggers with the Type I chain-set and having iron guards. I noted the tang marking on the three blades I have owned as being the 7 interlinked circles emblem occasionally seen on SS dagger blade tangs. I think there is a picture of such a SS-M36 service dagger in the Wittmann book, page 157 upper left. Wittmann does not state iron guards but describes the shape of the lower guard accurately, the dagger pictured has the characteristic profile of the lower guard found on these "iron" M36's. Overall, the build quality and finish of these "iron" M36 daggers is very impressive, imho.

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I asked the seller if a magnet sticks in their garrisons and actually that's right, the magnet sticks, also said they were coated with zinc as the coating remains are still in them ....

The question is what for you the Dagger is original? Is it worth acquiring?

777 Do I understand then that the manufacturer referred to is the M7 / 73 Fu. A. Helbing, Steinbach?

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Yes, the company is F.u A.Helbig (not "Helbing") from Steinbach in Thuringia.
Actually I don't think the dagger is worth aquiring (unless very cheap). To me it's a parts dagger in mediocre condition.
Nothing for my colection anyway.

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777 Thanks for your response, thank you very much ...

In my listing of RZM M7/73 appears as Helbig Helbing and not the list but could be wrong ...

Regarding the dagger is that this very well priced and is a temptation, if I'm considering buying the original ...

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Hi buddies, once again I am writing to request your opinion on a Dagger NSKK apparently is in a very good, what is your opinion about this dagger?




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looks great to me. paul

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No problems here, my friend.

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Looks like a very nice original dagger to me, i would buy it no hesitation


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Thank you very much for your opinions fellow, this dagger is one that I have potential for purchase, see if you encouraged me and make an offer to the seller ....

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Hello fellow, a Marine SA Dagger unsheathed at an attractive price, what do you think of this piece?










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More images ...




What do you think of this dagger? ... A greeting!!

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