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Me gustaria saber todo lo que no entiendo de esta daga:
Los tirantes:No son los corrientes.
El lema: Tanpoco.
La vaina: Diferente (no es de cuero)
Toda informacion sera poca.....(Se cuando la compre que me dijeron que esta daga era un regalo de las HJ en viajes tipo...Japon.
Un saludo
Palante125
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No comprende

English please

Yes, English please

I would like sable Everything You Do not Understand of this dagger:
Braces: No child, Corrientes.
The motto: tanpoco.
Pod: Various (not leather)
All information will be LOW WHEN IS .....( Buy they told me
this dagger was no gift of HJ in Travel Type ... Japan.
Greetings
Palante125

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Well ... as I have been asked ... in English (but the google) Also before
I ask that I get better pictures .. After that I beg
discuss everything they know (if you know) of my dagger. A greeting Palante125

I still don't understand

What do not you understand?

Hello, whatever you wanted to express, the shown dagger including the hangers is a bad, a very bad fake. There is not the least doubt.
Regards,

jAJAJJA...eso es todo? Los tirantes?

I am quoting from Robin Lumsden book Edged weapons of Hitler's Germany page 51 under the heading of The HJ Leaders 1937 Dagger"In 1938 during the highly publicized visit of a Hitler Youth delegation to Japan,some thirty HJ officers wore a special version of the dagger with a plain silver scabbard and white leather hanging straps.A variant was manufactured,possibly for bestowal on HJ generals of the rank of obergebietsfuhrer and above,or upon offerers of the Marine-HJ,to match the gold insignias on there uniforms Production of this elegant Fuhrerdolch ceased in October 1942.


Un saludo

Sorry, I still don´t understand a single word. Please try to write in understandable English (translation programms sometimes do bad work).
But I assume you want have judged the hangers too? These too are very very bad fakes.

Concerning these certain dagger: In my opinion there is a big misunderstanding which originated in "misreading" these certain, period pictures of the HJ delegation at Japan and I highly assume that there NEVER existed such a certain scabbard like shown here.

Regards,

Hi!
It is hypothesized that some of these daggers are real. I know in “Reproduction? Recognition!” Fred Stevens states they are all fake. The ones that have applied center bands on the scabbard do have a chance at being original. Being sellable is another topic though.
Best Wishes,
Bob

Thank you very much for your interest!

In the stem of the pod has marked the letter "S" and friends understand
where the original purchase .... But I think it is different from her sisters
leaders of the Hitler Youth.
Greetings
Toni

Hola Toni!
Escribir en Espanol por favor.
Hasta Pronto,
Bob

Hola Bob,

Write in English, Please

Dave

[quote=palante125]Me gustaria saber todo lo que no entiendo de esta daga:
Los tirantes:No son los corrientes.
El lema: Tanpoco.
La vaina: Diferente (no es de cuero)
Toda informacion sera poca.....(Se cuando la compre que me dijeron que esta daga era un regalo de las HJ en viajes tipo...Japon.
Un saludo
Palante125



I would like to know everything that I do not understand this dagger:
Braces: not the ordinary.
The slogan is not common.
Pod: Various (not leather)
All information will be weak ..... I know when I said buy it
this dagger was a gift from the HJ type travel ... Japan.
Greetings
Toni

I have translated my presentation of the dagger ... with this there is nothing more
to translate in my post.

Are There any Chance that this dagger is a Hitler Youth dagger presentation dagger?

Sorry, NO.
Regards,

To thank all the people I have devoted their time:
I put my unique replica HJ Leader Dagger naked. I do not to have this happen again to anyone (I buy it as original and that means paying a lot for it) and because I have never found this dagger pictured in any book of pieces to contrast the difference between a original and one copy.

After all that I had on my dagger, I decided to look for more information ...... and I found a book of Sr.Angolia which perfectly describes my dagger ... Ah! if you want I can put the picture that comes out my dagger .. Pego and copy the text of the book. "If you want I can also put the picture where my dagger out HJ Leader ".... Thanks for sharing your information and give me time

tex:

(Above) a hitler youth contingent representing germany at a ceremony in
tokyo in 1939. Note that some youth leaders wear the youth leader dagger
with white hangers and white leather or silver scabbards, while others wear
the basic "FAHRTENMESSER", also with white leather suspensions.(Right)
leader of the hitler youth contingent addressing the audience.
By Major John R. Angolia pag.157

Sr.Wotan: if you want I can give you the name of the book, so may reveal the misunderstanding.
greetings
Toni

Sorry Toni, Did you understand why your dagger is a fake.(Spanish Repo)

Brian

(Spanish Repo)

Brian [/quote]

Brian do you say that because I am Spanish .... My collection is
false ..
This dagger was purchased in Munich (As most of my collection) in a
known auction house muuuchoos years ago ... If you're interested I'll give
data from the auction house.
Thank you for your sincerity and regret that in the U.S. have this concept of
the Spanish.

Brian do you say that because I am Spanish .... My collection is
false ..
This dagger was purchased in München (As most of my collection) in a
known auction house muuuchoos years ago ... If you're interested I'll give
data from the auction house.
Thank you for your sincerity and regret that in the U.S. have this concept of
the Spanish.

125,

Spain was a well known source of German dagger reproductions in the 1970's or earlier. Many were made by a company named Marto. Those daggers were shipped all over the World and sold as real. Many were sent to Germany to be sold as "newly found". Auction houses were (and still are) favorites for selling fakes since the owner is not disclosed and sales are often final.

By today's standards, those Spanish reproductions are easy to spot because so much information is available on the Internet. The early fakes daggers are now looking older.

This is not a "U.S. opinion". It is held by collectors everywhere.

Regards,
Dave

Sorry, If you think that I'm making a personal jab at where your from. That is far from the case, I'm just going off the knowlage of what I have read in books. That it is mentioned over and over that a large amount of high end repo's are made in spain. Ref.book Third Reich Daggers 1933-1945 by J.A. Bowman Pages 356-367.

Once again sorry if you thought I was making this personal

Brian

OK! Brian, but nothing happens
sometimes to use the translator
Rebes things to understand.
As for what Dave said already
Mars faked many
pieces ... but that would
fake one that was not poular
as a SS, NSKK, HEER, create
you leave him on account
produce a piece that does not
hardly anyone knows?
Greetings

NOTE: This knife was purchased in
HISTORIC HERMANN auction
(MÜNCHEN)

I know this book and the series of photographs concerning the japan trip of the HJ very well. Read the passage you citated very carefully. In my opinion and due to my best knowledge there was no "....or..." (obviously Angolia simply stated it from the blurry pics and did not know it himself) and this plain scabbard dit not exist.

I don´t want to go into further details to avoid to get better fakes produced.

Regards,