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#244046 - 04/29/11 11:00 AM Re: Pack No 11 - Neutral [Re: JohnZ]
JohnZ Offline



Registered: 03/29/06
Posts: 5222
Loc: Calgary
The Pack No 11 etch is a neutral etch meaning that it could be used for all branches of service.

It is pictured on pages 149 (without dedication) and 150 (with dedication) in Wayne's book.

The one I have here is on a short, spanner bolted and small TM version and dedicated to Inf Regt 11.


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Obverse.JPG (187 downloads)
Reverse.JPG (187 downloads)
Obverse Grip.JPG (187 downloads)
Reverse Grip.JPG (187 downloads)
TM.JPG (187 downloads)
Obverse Etch.JPG (187 downloads)
Obverse Etch Front.JPG (187 downloads)
Obverse Etch Mid - IR 11.JPG (187 downloads)
Obverse Etch Rear.JPG (187 downloads)

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#244047 - 04/29/11 11:04 AM Re: Pack No 11 - Neutral MG Btl 9 [Re: JohnZ]
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Registered: 03/29/06
Posts: 5222
Loc: Calgary
The next No 11 is a long, Pioniere hilted and riveted with small TM and dedicated to MG Battl 9.


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MVC-203S.JPG (186 downloads)
MVC-204S.JPG (186 downloads)
Obverse Grip.JPG (186 downloads)
Reverse Grip.JPG (184 downloads)
TM.JPG (186 downloads)
MVC-206S.JPG (185 downloads)
MVC-209S.JPG (185 downloads)
MVC-208S.JPG (185 downloads)
MVC-207S.JPG (185 downloads)

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#244049 - 04/29/11 11:07 AM Re: Pack MG Battl 9 [Re: JohnZ]
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Registered: 03/29/06
Posts: 5222
Loc: Calgary
I have two dedications to MG Battl 9.

The one above on a No 11 neutral etch.

And,, the other on a No 6 Infantry etch.


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MVC-203S.JPG (184 downloads)
MVC-206S.JPG (184 downloads)
Obverse.JPG (184 downloads)
Reverse.JPG (184 downloads)
Reverse Etch.JPG (184 downloads)
The Two.JPG (184 downloads)
The Two Closeup.JPG (184 downloads)

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#244050 - 04/29/11 11:12 AM Re: Pack No 11 - Neutral Antitank 24 [Re: JohnZ]
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Registered: 03/29/06
Posts: 5222
Loc: Calgary
The third No 11 Neutral etch is a short, spanner bolted no maker marked single etched bayonet dedicated to Panzer Abwehr 24, or Anti Tank Unit 24.


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Obverse.JPG (184 downloads)
Obverse Grip.JPG (183 downloads)
Reverse Grip.JPG (183 downloads)
Obverse Etch.JPG (183 downloads)
Obverse Etch Front.JPG (184 downloads)
Obverse Etch Mid - Pz Abw Abt 24.JPG (183 downloads)
Obverse Etch Rear.JPG (181 downloads)

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#244051 - 04/29/11 11:15 AM Re: Pack Panzer Abw Abt 24 [Re: JohnZ]
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Posts: 5222
Loc: Calgary
I have two etches dedicated to Anti Tank Unit 24.

One is the above on a No 11 Neutral etch.

The other is on a No 2 Large AntiTank Gun etch.


Attachments
Obverse.JPG (181 downloads)
Obverse Etch.JPG (182 downloads)
Obverse Etch Mid - Pz Abw Abt 24.JPG (182 downloads)
Obverse.JPG (182 downloads)
Obverse Etch.JPG (181 downloads)
Reverse Etch.JPG (181 downloads)

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#244052 - 04/29/11 11:20 AM Re: Pack No 12 - Mountain Troops [Re: JohnZ]
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Registered: 03/29/06
Posts: 5222
Loc: Calgary
I have only seen this item for sale once in the past 5 years, and I had to grab it as soon as I saw it.

Pictured in the catalogue on page 142 as the No 12 etch, this is a short blade, stag gripped, spanner bolted, single etch with the small TM.

One of the neatest etches produced by Pack.


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Obverse.JPG (167 downloads)
Reverse.JPG (166 downloads)
Hilt Obverse.JPG (166 downloads)
Hilt Reverse.JPG (166 downloads)
TM.JPG (167 downloads)
Etch.JPG (166 downloads)
Etch Front Bookend.JPG (165 downloads)
Etch Dedication.JPG (166 downloads)
Etch Mt Troops.JPG (166 downloads)

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#244055 - 04/29/11 11:26 AM Re: Pack No 13 - Pioniere [Re: JohnZ]
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Registered: 03/29/06
Posts: 5222
Loc: Calgary
The No 13 Pioniere etch is a large format picturing an engineering unit building a bridge.

My example has no maker mark, but does have a distributor mark, is on a long blade, double etched and with spanner bolts (too bad that it is not on a Pioniere hilt, eh?). It is dedicated to Pioniere Batl 43.


Attachments
Obverse.JPG (165 downloads)
Reverse.JPG (165 downloads)
Obverse Grip.JPG (165 downloads)
Reverse Grip.JPG (165 downloads)
TM.JPG (165 downloads)
Obverse Etch Front.JPG (165 downloads)
Obverse Etch Mid.JPG (165 downloads)
Obverse Etch Rear - Pioniere.JPG (165 downloads)
Reverse Etch - Pi Batl 43.JPG (165 downloads)

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#244057 - 04/29/11 11:35 AM Re: Pack No 14 - Small Anti Tank [Re: JohnZ]
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Registered: 03/29/06
Posts: 5222
Loc: Calgary
The last of the numbered etches in the Pack catalog is the No 14 small anti tank gun etch. Examples of the large one, the No 2 etch, can be relatively easily found vs this one.

The small versions of the etches probably did not sell well which means that there were fewer of them around to begin with.

This etch is on a long, spanner bolted bayonet with the small TM and is a single etch version.

Have you noticed that all of the small picture etches (the Nos 7, 8, 10, 12 and this one) all have the small Pack TM?

Now, that's it for the numbered etches from the Pack catalogue (I sure wish that I had a No 9 Small Panzer to show, but c'est la vie as they say in La Belle Provence).

Later, I will be starting back up with the unnumbered etches and ending with the Ovals.

I hope that you are enjoying this thread.

John


Attachments
Obverse.JPG (163 downloads)
Reverse.JPG (163 downloads)
Obverse Hilt.JPG (159 downloads)
Reverse Hilt.JPG (159 downloads)
TM.JPG (160 downloads)
Obverse Etch.JPG (161 downloads)
Obverse Etch Front.JPG (159 downloads)
Obverse Etch Rear.JPG (160 downloads)

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#244087 - 04/29/11 05:33 PM Re: Pack Unnumbered - Neutral [Re: JohnZ]
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Registered: 03/29/06
Posts: 5222
Loc: Calgary
Pack produced this Neuutral etch designed for any branch of service. This etch pattern is pictured on page 147.

I have heard this described as looking a bit Japanese with the rising sun type bookends.

It is a single etch, short blade, spanner bolted model with a small Pack TM. The TM is a little different on this blade since it has the name E.Pack beside the blacksmith, whereas the other small TMs we have seen to date have the blacksmith positioned above the words E Pack.


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MVC-219S.JPG (154 downloads)
MVC-220S.JPG (153 downloads)
MVC-226S.JPG (153 downloads)
MVC-227S.JPG (153 downloads)
MVC-221S.JPG (154 downloads)
MVC-222S.JPG (154 downloads)
MVC-225S.JPG (153 downloads)
MVC-224S.JPG (152 downloads)
MVC-223S.JPG (152 downloads)

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#244091 - 04/29/11 05:43 PM Re: Hack with the Unnumbered Pack Neutral [Re: JohnZ]
JohnZ Offline



Registered: 03/29/06
Posts: 5222
Loc: Calgary
Three of the biggest makers of etch pattern bayonets did not sell their etches to other blade makers. The three are Eickhorn, Puma and Pack. Holler and Klaas, the other big etch makers did sell certain of their etch patterns in pretty defined business relationships. To learn more about this, read Wayne's book.

So, one of the 'tells' when you look at etched bayonets is to see if the etch pattern and the blade manufacturer make sense. You will never find an Eickhorn etch on a Pack TM bayonet, for example. This is pretty easy for the big three, not so obvious for the others.

However, like any rule, there has to be an exception. In this case, it is the Pack Unnumbered Neutral etch that we just looked at, but it is on a Josef Hack marked blade. Can this be wrong? Not if you have Wayne's book. Look on page 194 and you will see this exact etch pattern but on a Hack-Werk Steyr marked bayonet.

This is a short, single etched, riveted bayonet. Note, however, that the rivets are offset as though they were on Packs, but using rivets instead of the spanner bolts.

Also note the neat Hack fish TM.


Attachments
Obverse.JPG (148 downloads)
Reverse.JPG (150 downloads)
Reverse Hilt.JPG (147 downloads)
Etch.JPG (148 downloads)
Etch Front.JPG (147 downloads)
Etch Rear.JPG (147 downloads)
TM.JPG (147 downloads)

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