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I've had this wonderful critter for a few months now, but haven't really shown him off; my Nymphenburg Chamois. It's a strange one because it only has the impressed checkered Nymphenburg shield mark in the surface of the rocky crag base - not underneath. No other markings either. Still, a really fine sculpt. (By the way, yes, I do collect other porcelain animals from time to time!)



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Tiberius,

A very nice study of a chamois or Gamsbock. These fleet-footed ledge dwellers are the subject for many German porcelain artists as well as wood carvers. I find some of the old life-size head carvings really appealing too, and hope to find a good one someday. Your Nymphenburg is fine looking example of this wonderful game animal, he's got that great alert look, possibly checking out one of his companions higher up on the mountain..? The shadow-play on the fur is super, the sculptor really captured that feeling of the animal's thick, coarse hair. I can see why you broke with tradition to add this top-notch figure to your collection of horses!

I'll also take this opportunity to thank T. for helping me to add this outstanding Augarten, Chinese pheasant to my collection. It's hard to describe all the great detail to the feathering, the delicate legs and the overall balance and grace to this 'bantam-sized' powerhouse! Many thanks good sir ... wink

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Bill, I am very glad to see that the pheasant has arrived to you safely. Your photographs really bring out the little details that I notice tend to be lacking in other examples of this bird that I have seen. Good to know that he'll have an appreciative home in Schloss Warda and do enjoy!

Thanks for your compliments on the chamois. You're right in that they do seem to be one of the more iconic German animals in the region's artistic creations. I'm also quite fond of ibexes, and have a couple examples that will post eventually.

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I'm new to this thread but here's my small contribution.
Bamberger Reiter bust in Porcelain by maker Hertwig Katzhutte who also made the others that were posted in terracotta.

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Nice Erich.This fits in nicely with your colleting theme.

Tiberius list his at being about 13 inches.From my guess Albrecht's appears to be about the same.Is your's a smaller version?Also any idea if the makers mark determines the approximate age?

Interesting and a pleasure to see the different variations of these beauties.Thanks

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Hi Dean, mine is only 6 inches high. My example according to the MM was probably made in the 30's or 40's.

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Erich,

Good to see you're keeping busy, a lovely find to start off the new year properly. wink

A very noble looking bust for your collection, and a nice small size too - I wasn't aware this one came in different dimensions. I'm sure it'll look terrific on your writing desk or anywhere else in your collecting room for that matter!

Thanks for adding to our little thread on German porcelain, much appreciated. I hope that anyone who sees these fine examples will see why we collect 'white-gold.'

Congratulations and may your luck continue throughout the coming year.

Best!

Bill

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Thanks Bill, I find it interesting that the terra-cotta ones shown along with mine in porcelain were made by the same maker. I know that Rosenthal also made a porcelain example as well.

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Erich,

Thought I'd pop this nice Rosenthal Reiter in here too ... seen it up for auction on occasion, but usually in so-so/broken condition. This one looks like a fine example.

I think we all have our own "wish-list" of great collectibles that we'd like to chase down and eventually add to our collections - no matter what field. Here's one from my file that I'd like to own someday, a trio of monkeys sculpted by Professor Julius Feldtmann, who worked for KPM and Rosenthal. Most of the work I've seen by him dates from the early 20th century into the thirties/early forties. Not very well known but he did turn out a few exceptional animal sculptures, there's another example earlier in this thread of a pair of fighting roosters by the same artist.

To my eye this little group of primates has just about everything a porcelain animal collector could ask for - great anatomy, a slight hint of caricature to exaggerate the animal's essence, wonderful, imaginative painting and that snapshot-like feeling of a moment anchored in time. It's amazing when all those fine qualities come together and that lively spirit is portrayed and captured for our pleasure and enjoyment. I believe the old Professor and the painter both achieved a very high-level of sophistication in this exceptional piece of decorative art. Hope you might enjoy it and have a chance to comment too ...

Do any of you have photos stashed away of a porcelain you'd like to own? If not, maybe just a description? Good collecting to all our ceramic aficionados!

Best!

W~

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Friends,

Just spotted one more that I thought my collecting buddies might like to see, a superb tiger figure by Hans Behrens for Nymphenburg. Earlier we talked about seeing good examples of the big cats and just how difficult they are to find. If you can grab one like this you'd be a very lucky collector, these early pieces are in high demand and fetch a handsome premium. The only other tiger sculpture that even comes close (imo) is Prof. Kärner's exceptional Nymphenburg model with it's peacock prey.

Should any of you ever want to sell or trade something like this or any other pre-'45 animals that you think are exceptional, I just might be willing to barter with some of the Allach that I have left. cool

Best!

Bill

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Ladies & Gents,

Here's one that didn't get away, a good-sized Seelöwe or Sea Lion, model number 1289, by Theodor Kärner. First sculpted in 1934 for Rosenthal, just a year before he went to work for Himmler's "Porzellan-Manufaktur Allach GmbH." This example was produced in 1944. Please enjoy ...

Best!

Bill

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He's a nice old boy, they have captured the whiskers very well, I've noticed after looking at many animals, especially the big cats that most are weak in this area, this piece though is superb in that area.

Keep them coming Bill, I love them all.

Thanks

Gary

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Great pieces Bill, the Rosenthal Reiter would be tops on my wish list. Best, Erich

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Wonderful pieces, Bill. That Tiger is really something.

So, I'm excited to post photos of my very first colored Rosenthal horse. He's a good early piece by Karner. Super sharp mold details and wonderful glazing job. Really one of the centerpieces of my collection these days. Awesome horse.

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Tiberius,

Now that's something worth waiting for !!

The grey dappling on the hind flanks and shoulders really brings this one to life. The patterns are just the right shade and density to make the musculature stand out properly and define the tension in the animal's pose. That particular detail seems to be a specific preference of Kärners, as the motif was carried over into the stallions he produced earlier for Nymphenburg and later for Allach - Nr. 74, Springendes Pferd instantly comes to mind.

Another interesting aspect of your model is the decoration itself, it's quite difficult to find a painted version of this horse. The overwhelming majority of these lovely Rosenthal animals will be found undecorated, in an all-white state.

Without any reservation this has to be the finest example of this petite steed that I've ever seen!

Congratulations are in order and many thanks for sharing your latest catch with us.

Best!

Bill

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Friends,

Hope all of you have been staying busy with your collecting projects, can y'all share any new additions with us?

I consider myself fortunate to have snagged a couple of Rosenthal pieces by Theo Kärner, a Rehbock plaque and this Schäferhund. Most of the painted decorations that I've seen of this shepherd dog model are of light beige and tan colors, this is the first one I've seen with the dark brown coloration added. It seems to do wonders for this diminutive canine, see what you think?

Here's wishing everyone a very good collecting year ahead ... Horrido! wink

Best!

Bill

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I just noticed the sea lion and wanted to say very impressive life like detailing.Nice item.

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Bill, Erich, T and all,

Some great pieces being shown here! Very much appreciate the time and effort. You all make my day everytime I look in on this thread. Thank you!

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Not Imperial, Not Allach, Probably Post War...

My latest arrival. I thought that it would look great with my Luftwaffe themed collection.

Thank you, Willi WWII.

John

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Amigos All,

Happy to see the thread chugging along and as always, a pleasure to read your kind remarks and share in your latest finds.

John Z - that eagle absolutely fascinated me, by far an Art Deco knockout! I could picture it as a large-scale bronze sitting in front of some official Luftwaffe headquarters in downtown-Berlin... Maybe you could have it scaled-up and cast for the front lawn? ... better make that the back-lawn, eh? Either way, I'm glad you like it too. wink

You know the old saying, "when it rains, it pours ..?" .. well, I have a couple small additions to make, too. A decorated German shepherd and a hand-painted, framed tile,
both by Herr Professor Theodor Kärner, for Rosenthal. I'm not sure if all of you have seen any of Kärner's animal drawings and paintings, there are some examples posted earlier in this thread if memory serves..? cool

Every now and then some original sketches and paintings become available through auction houses, etc. The point being the old boy could paint as well as he could sculpt ... how talanted can you get? I don't think Paul Casberg ever sculpted anything? Anyone know anything about that..? Would love to hear from some Casberg fans out there.

... but for now, your postive or negative comments, evaluations and critiques are always invited. Hopefully you'll get some enjoyment, too!

... and a big 'shoutout' to my chums, mates and peeps out there ... good collecting to everyone! grin

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Lots of superb pieces, thanks all.
I'm feeling left out here with nothing new to show, so forgive me if I have posted this before but it is one of my favourites, although not Allach.
It is a Shooting Prize from a Gauleiter; Meissen, 1943.

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Tristan,

Good to see you here sir, hope all is well? I'm pretty certain that nobody will gripe about having to look at that great Meissen seagull twice .. at least not those who appreciate fine porcelain! wink

A top-notch bird with a great TR pedigree.

Got your eye on anything special? Looking forward to see what you'll turn up next.

Best regards!

Bill

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For those who collect or may just be interested in Theodor Kärner's career, here's something for the books...

... as we speak someone on US Ebay has listed a "Doe & Fawn," that's attributed to Prof. K., but coming from a company that is 'as of yet' not listed in references as having produced any of his works ... nice! Have a look ...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Royal-Coburg-Pr...=item3f08fb0060

Seems 100% authentic but how did it come into being? I'd say it's early postwar production, let's say somewhere between 1949 and 1955..? As common knowledge we know that several of the molds from Allach were dispersed and used by other companies, primarily to include Eschenbach, and possibly Winterling to a much smaller degree. Here's the description:

"Rare Royal Coburg Professor Theodare Karner Lying Deer with Fawn in perfect condition and about 7 inches long and 5 1/2 inches tall. This is the most amazing well made and realistic figurine. Much nicer than the Rosenthal pieces I've seen. The Rosenthal number for this piece is # 1117. I've researched T. Karner extensively, and I can't find when he worked for Royal Coburg. There is a lot of information available on him, but the fact that he worked for Royal Coburg seems to be unknown. He worked for Nymphenburg from 1905 to 1918, Rosenthal from 1918 to 1934, Allach from 1934 to 1944, and Eschenbach from 1947 to 1953. This piece must be very rare, and was obviously made before WW II. Marked Royal Coburg Germany and Prof T Karner. If you enlarge the picture of the Royal Coburg mark, you can see where it says Prof T Karner.

I've tried researching Royal Coburg and there is no information anywhere. They made a few dishes, but there is no record of them ever making animal figurines. All I can find out is that Royal Coburg and RS Prussia are somehow related. Royal Coburg apparently used the same mark as RS Prussia at one time..."

Whoever the seller is did a pretty good job of research, however, I don't agree that it's pre-WWII production. I'm fairly certain he never used the title "Professor," for anyone other than Allach during his tenure for the SS-owned company, 1935-1945. Possibly a postwar deal of some kind with Rosenthal?

No matter what the exact case might be it's a very interesting little tidbit of info. wink

Best!

Bill

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Willi:

Thank you for this.. I really really like Prof Karner's works, no matter who produced them in the end.

But, alas, my squirrels all voted to keep deer out of their club.

John


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John Z,

grin grin grin


Best!

W~

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Bill

That is a great model, it doesn't matter who made it that is Kärners work all over.

fantastic information as well

Is there a scenario that he worked for this company during 1946-47, made a few pieces and then moved on again??.

Thanks

Gary

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Tristan,I never tire of seeing that nice presentation piece...Thanks for showing it. Amazing, I'm watching this one myself.I'm quite certain he used the contracted form of professor on some Rosenthal. Best!

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THanks, guys.
That is,indeed, a beautiful piece of porcelain, but interestingly no bds yet. I know my Allach prices, but not others. Is it overpriced, or simply impossible to price because of its rarity and (maybe) limited marketabiity?

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Gary,

SS Hauptsturmführer Kärner was incarcerated for 'political re-education,' from 1945 until 1947, at a camp in Moosbach. Later in '47 he started working again in a supervisory capacity for Oscar Schaller/Windischeschenbach. (Eschenbach)

In January 1950, Eschenbach received permission to reproduce parts of Kärner's Allach inventory from the original molds. (naturally, nothing politically incorrect)

Mikee,

I'm not quite sure how to interpret your meaning? Are you saying that you've noted pre-1935 Rosenthal pieces marked, "Prof.T Kärner?" My question would be, when these earlier models were re-released after 1945, when were they first marked with the updated title of "Prof.?" That item would reflect a new, yearly, post-'45 Rosenthal marking, right?
I think that's what you mean, correct? I have a Rosenthal Zicklein (baby goat) that's marked with the model number 1115, which I believe is pre-1935, however, it's marked with a Rosenthal logo from the fifties and uses the title, "Prof Th.Kärner."

I think it'd be interesting to find a re-released, Rosenthal example marked with a 1938 -1945 logo that uses the updated term, "Prof." This would indicate that he was honored with his newly bestowed title (since 1938) by his former employer. Or, did the company only use his honorary title starting after the war? Definitely something to look into ...

Tristan,

I think it's a reasonably fair price for such an unusual commodity, especially for the true Kärner aficionado. I agree with Gary that it's a lovely sculpture no matter who, what, when or why the piece came about... As the old collector's saying goes, 'it is what it is...' ... a unique original and tiptop stuff. If I hadn't just made a deal for an early Kärner bird I'd be tempted to have a go at this one myself ... grin

Best regards to one and all.

B~

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Bill thank you for sharing! what a piece of Art!The legs and feet are amazing!True Art at its finest!

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Hey Bill,

Thanks, your absolutely correct, I believe as you any porcelain of Karner's with Prof. on it would in my mind have to be dated after 20 April 1938. I'm sorry I didn't answer sooner, my mind was on a trail that didn't happen. Three individuals in their 30's and 40's attempted to rob me some time back at one of my residences. I love that Karner tile, beautiful.

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Mikee...Nothing too serious,I hope?
Sorry about double posting the Seagul, but I have now spent an enjoyable hour browsing the thread, and relearning all the invaluable info posted by you guys.
Horses seem to figure prominently so here are my two other 'horse' pieces, (plus contrasting riders!)

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Allach collectors will notice the shortened sword on the Seydlitz Rider. It was the only flaw on the piece and had to be restored but unfortunately not to its full length. Something I will return to in the future!

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Mikee,

Cripes!! I hope all is well? ... damn !!! ... social retards of the highest order ... I hope these swine didn't make off with any of your goodies? Say it ain't so..?

Is there anything I can do to help?

This is miserable news old boy ... please advise, ok?

Sincerely,

Willi

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Tristan,
I never tire of viewing your fine collection and really appreciate you taking the time to show them off, these are of the highest quality, very special.

Tristan, Bill,
I'm fine, thank you very much for asking. They were close, but no cigar. I held them at gun point until the police arrived. This seems to happen to me often and I just get tired of it. They're so lucky I showed restraint this time and didn't take their lives. Believe me, I made sure they understood that point. Thanks again and I very much appreciate your offer of help.

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Mikee...You're joking, No?????????????? Scotlad maybe a tad dull sometimes, but....!!!

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Mikee,

Good to hear that all's well ... it sounds like these twerps could use fifteen years hard labor on bread and water rations, in Siberia, that would fix 'em!

Tristan,

I agree it's fun to look back and see what all of us have put together here ... how can you beat this stuff..? ... like a (slightly smaller) Cecille B. DeMille production, it's been a few years in the making ... wink

Yes, I agree wholeheartedly ... a beautiful Amazone and a Prussian officer in white gold, where else can you see Kärner's works and these other fine, 20th century German sculptors all together in one place? grin

Even with the shorter sword your Seydlitz is still an exceptional example. There's just so much for the eye to take in, so many wonderful details to appreciate. Even to those who might not enjoy or collect German militaria or porcelain, anyone with semi-functioning eyes has to sit up and take notice of a fine piece like this. When it comes to realistic, mounted horsemen, I daresay, who even comes close to the old Professor?

Don't get me wrong here, I think I can appreciate good abstract work from time to time, but I much prefer Kärner's photo-realistic approach to sculpting animals and the human figure. But let's not forget, it was the French who drew up the blueprints for naturalistic, small-scale sculpture, nearly a hundred years before anyone ever thought of Porzellan Manufaktur Allach.

For your enjoyment I'll leave you with a neat little bird by Kärner, listed as "Meise." (Pickende) ... this simply translates to, a "tit, picking."

Best!

W~

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Seeing Bill's tit prompted me to show you mine (now don't go there at all, we are talking about little porcelain birdies).

I have shown this before, but I think that it also belongs in this magnificent thread.

Willi, you may recognize this little birdie.

John

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Johnnie,

I think they call that, 'tit for tit..' oops, better make that 'tit for tat..!' grin

Great Rosenthal bird good sir ... wink

Best!

W~

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