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SS RZM 807/36 #23757 03/13/2010 10:03 PM Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 211 Alaska J J. Harvey OP OP J. Harvey J Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 211 Alaska Hello all, I would like your opinions on this dagger. Thanks, harvey DSCF1742.JPG (97.78 KB, 655 downloads)

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23758 03/13/2010 10:04 PM Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 211 Alaska J J. Harvey OP OP J. Harvey J Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 211 Alaska 2 DSCF1743.JPG (104.74 KB, 645 downloads)

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23759 03/13/2010 10:06 PM Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 211 Alaska J J. Harvey OP OP J. Harvey J Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 211 Alaska 3 DSCF1746.JPG (98.67 KB, 648 downloads)

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23760 03/13/2010 10:09 PM Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 211 Alaska J J. Harvey OP OP J. Harvey J Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 211 Alaska 4 DSCF1744.JPG (90.88 KB, 640 downloads)

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23761 03/13/2010 10:09 PM Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 211 Alaska J J. Harvey OP OP J. Harvey J Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 211 Alaska 5 DSCF1749.JPG (98.83 KB, 637 downloads)

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23762 03/13/2010 10:10 PM Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 211 Alaska J J. Harvey OP OP J. Harvey J Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 211 Alaska 6 DSCF1750.JPG (92.77 KB, 634 downloads)

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23763 03/13/2010 11:05 PM Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 992 london N nickn2 nickn2 N Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 992 london very nice is it for sale?

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23764 03/13/2010 11:07 PM Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 211 Alaska J J. Harvey OP OP J. Harvey J Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 211 Alaska Not for sale; I'll hang on to this one for a while. One concern I have is that the blade looks a bit too wide towards its tip; maybe it's just an illusion. Another concern is that the scabbard appears to be original black paint over brown anodizing; like a repainted SA. It fits the crossgaurd and blade perfectly and is original black paint. Would a firm ever have issued an SS dagger with a repainted SA scabbard or perhaps it's just that the metal has rusted under the paint?

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23765 03/13/2010 11:46 PM Joined: Sep 2000 Posts: 15,094 Likes: 99 Southeast Dave Dave Joined: Sep 2000 Posts: 15,094 Likes: 99 Southeast Looks OK to me. Blade shape does not alarm me and trademark is a known one. Scabbard appears to me black paint over rusting primer, but I cannot say for sure from pictures. Regards, Dave

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23766 03/14/2010 12:16 AM Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 211 Alaska J J. Harvey OP OP J. Harvey J Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 211 Alaska Thanks Dave, Here are some photos of the scabbard paint. DSCF1751.JPG (91.67 KB, 599 downloads)

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23767 03/14/2010 12:17 AM Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 211 Alaska J J. Harvey OP OP J. Harvey J Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 211 Alaska 6 DSCF1752.JPG (96.6 KB, 593 downloads)

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23768 03/14/2010 12:18 AM Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 211 Alaska J J. Harvey OP OP J. Harvey J Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 211 Alaska 7 DSCF1753.JPG (107.05 KB, 586 downloads)

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23769 03/14/2010 12:22 AM Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 211 Alaska J J. Harvey OP OP J. Harvey J Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 211 Alaska 8 DSCF1755.JPG (66.45 KB, 583 downloads)

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23770 03/14/2010 12:28 AM Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,717 Likes: 2 Philadelphia Larry C Larry C Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,717 Likes: 2 Philadelphia Nothing wrong with the scabbard, unfortunately its rust. I have the same thing but on one of my SAs. Nice dagger. Larry Historical Stewardship is a Trusted Honor that must be kept!

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23771 03/14/2010 02:18 AM Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 318 Likes: 2 Missouri R Ritterkreuz Ritterkreuz R Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 318 Likes: 2 Missouri quote: Originally posted by Dave Hohaus: Looks OK to me. Blade shape does not alarm me and trademark is a known one. Scabbard appears to me black paint over rusting primer, but I cannot say for sure from pictures. Regards, Dave I thought they still haven't figured out who the 807 maker was, did I miss something??? Mark

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23772 03/14/2010 08:19 AM Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 925 Germany K kreta1961 kreta1961 K Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 925 Germany Nice real one,Harvey! That's the 3rd real(807),i've seen in all the years. Gerd

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23773 03/14/2010 09:32 AM Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 915 Johannesburg, South Africa Redbaron Redbaron Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 915 Johannesburg, South Africa [/QUOTE]I thought they still haven't figured out who the 807 maker was, did I miss something??? Mark[/QUOTE] I think what is meant is that 807/ is known and accepted, but the maker as yet unattributed. Red

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23774 03/14/2010 01:40 PM Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 974 Europa 777 777 Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 974 Europa Good, original dagger. I have 807/36 out of woodwork and its logo, motto and SS roundel are of the same type. www.SADAGGERSBOOK.COM

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23775 03/14/2010 02:55 PM Joined: Sep 2000 Posts: 15,094 Likes: 99 Southeast Dave Dave Joined: Sep 2000 Posts: 15,094 Likes: 99 Southeast Yes, I meant that the trademark is accepted as real, not that we know who it is. That is rusting metal/primer, not an SA repaint. Good catch. Regards, Dave

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23776 03/14/2010 07:16 PM Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 318 Likes: 2 Missouri R Ritterkreuz Ritterkreuz R Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 318 Likes: 2 Missouri Ok because I myself have a 807/36 and when somebody said it was a known maker kinda threw me off.

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23777 03/14/2010 07:25 PM Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,717 Likes: 2 Philadelphia Larry C Larry C Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,717 Likes: 2 Philadelphia Interesting note: that I have seen the RZM Logo reversed in position. ie: RZM on top of the code and Runes on the bottom and vice versa! Larry Historical Stewardship is a Trusted Honor that must be kept!

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23778 03/14/2010 07:32 PM Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,717 Likes: 2 Philadelphia Larry C Larry C Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,717 Likes: 2 Philadelphia I found it here! Maybe nothing new to you but new to me! Larry http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/...28099473/m/525104274 Historical Stewardship is a Trusted Honor that must be kept!

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23779 03/14/2010 07:34 PM Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,717 Likes: 2 Philadelphia Larry C Larry C Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,717 Likes: 2 Philadelphia Is there any reason why the RZM logo was done this way on the blade sometimes reversed? larry Historical Stewardship is a Trusted Honor that must be kept!

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23780 03/14/2010 11:07 PM Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 318 Likes: 2 Missouri R Ritterkreuz Ritterkreuz R Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 318 Likes: 2 Missouri Looks like a different maker.

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23781 03/18/2010 03:44 PM Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 211 Alaska J J. Harvey OP OP J. Harvey J Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 211 Alaska My thanks to everyone for the help. Gerd indicated that this RZM code is seldom seen; do others share that opinion? Wittmann's book doesn't really discuss rarity factors for RZM pieces. Is there a thread here that discusses the relative scaricity of SS daggers with various RZM codes?

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23782 04/08/2010 01:07 PM Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 170 gatenby n.yorks W woody5909 woody5909 W Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 170 gatenby n.yorks any opinions on this one, bought it from a well known english dealer ss_2_germandaggers.JPG (56.98 KB, 307 downloads)

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23783 04/08/2010 01:08 PM Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 170 gatenby n.yorks W woody5909 woody5909 W Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 170 gatenby n.yorks rzm mark ss_4_germandaggers.JPG (41.03 KB, 303 downloads)

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23784 04/08/2010 01:09 PM Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 170 gatenby n.yorks W woody5909 woody5909 W Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 170 gatenby n.yorks blade moto ss_3_germandaggers.JPG (38.01 KB, 296 downloads)

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23785 04/08/2010 02:04 PM Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,976 Likes: 33 Toronto ,Ontario, Canada S sellick8302@rogers.com sellick8302@rogers.com S Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,976 Likes: 33 Toronto ,Ontario, Canada Hi Woody you will have to post some better quality pics if possible...hard to say from your pics but there might be a few "issues" cheers, Ryan

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23786 04/08/2010 05:29 PM Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,024 Likes: 1 Ennismore, Ont, Canada lakesidetrader lakesidetrader Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,024 Likes: 1 Ennismore, Ont, Canada Agreed, One thing to watch on this particular dagger is the location of the maker mark. When I see pics of the maker mark without showing the crossguard it always maker me skeptical. Woody if you want to see this email me. I can not post the pics here as they are "borrowed" from a site. Visit me at www.Lakesidetrader.com

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23787 04/08/2010 07:31 PM Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 170 gatenby n.yorks W woody5909 woody5909 W Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 170 gatenby n.yorks hopefully this one is better PICT1508.JPG (71.35 KB, 299 downloads)

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23788 04/08/2010 07:39 PM Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 170 gatenby n.yorks W woody5909 woody5909 W Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 170 gatenby n.yorks and this germ.JPG (48.89 KB, 295 downloads)

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23789 04/08/2010 07:57 PM Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 925 Germany K kreta1961 kreta1961 K Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 925 Germany Woody, i've seen this,before. Btw: The former background was green Gerd

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23790 04/08/2010 08:04 PM Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 170 gatenby n.yorks W woody5909 woody5909 W Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 170 gatenby n.yorks am hoping this does not turn out to be crap, can't afford to replace it, the dealer is known on here, and has had only good remarks.

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23791 04/09/2010 11:34 AM Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,024 Likes: 1 Ennismore, Ont, Canada lakesidetrader lakesidetrader Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,024 Likes: 1 Ennismore, Ont, Canada Sorry Woody but IMHO this is not right. I have no idea who the dealer is but it doesn't matter, no dealer is perfect. Visit me at www.Lakesidetrader.com

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23792 04/09/2010 06:29 PM Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 170 gatenby n.yorks W woody5909 woody5909 W Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 170 gatenby n.yorks thanks for the replies, will have to start saving again for another one, thanks again for the help, next time i find one i'll post on here for advice first, cheers guys.

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23793 04/09/2010 08:32 PM Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,976 Likes: 33 Toronto ,Ontario, Canada S sellick8302@rogers.com sellick8302@rogers.com S Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,976 Likes: 33 Toronto ,Ontario, Canada Hi Woody sorry to say that from the pics that you have provided Paul is correct in his assertion...cheers, Ryan

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23794 04/09/2010 08:49 PM Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,049 Scotland A A J A J A Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,049 Scotland Send it back if you don't get retribution name and shame just because he's a dealer known on here does;t give him the right to absolution

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23795 04/09/2010 10:18 PM Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 4,274 (formerly) Northridge, Califor... Fred Prinz - FP Fred Prinz - FP Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 4,274 (formerly) Northridge, Califor... As was already mentioned the dagger has "issues". Is what I've posted here a current example of laser etching? FP Laser_etched_.jpg (48.45 KB, 211 downloads)

Re: SS RZM 807/36 #23796 04/09/2010 11:01 PM Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 915 Johannesburg, South Africa Redbaron Redbaron Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 915 Johannesburg, South Africa Fred, I don't think so. Usually the laser etch delivers a finely cut edge at right angles to the blade. The SS runes have the jagged edge more consistent with an acid etch. What is interesting is that the detail of the SS runes do not match the precise cut of the numbering and RZM mark which looks more like a laser etch to me, almost appears to be applied at different times. Red