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Hmm. Perhaps we have here an example of a Prussian Gemeindepolizei bayonet. Not accepted through the standard Prussian Min Int procurement system, but obviously a shortened exemple of the long Prussian police clamshells. Though the shortened grip plates were nicely done and no old rivet holes are visible. Possibly the "P.D." indicates Polizei Dxxxx (take your pick of a small town).


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My latest arrival (got it about an hour ago, delivered by the friendly people at Canada Post) is a short (10 inch blade) police bayonet. No numbers, as expected. It also has the 35-41 seated squirrel TM.

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Here are pics of my 3 Eickhorns with the 35-41 seated squirrel TM.

I also have a customs police bayo not in this picture but shown here previously.

John

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Gentlemen,

Just found this great topic, super bayonets are shown here!

The complete explanation of the markings: letters, dots and figures is found in one of the Johnson books, nr 3 if I remember correctly...

Here is another Eickhorn variation: slotted with the "C.E squirrel".

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Hi John--sorry but IMO the customs bayonet you show is not correct. Alcoso hilt--bad rivet job showing rehilting-Weyersberg type clamshell.


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Houston:

The Alcoso-type pommel bothered me a bit. This was one of those SOS pickups.. I had only seen pictures of the customs clamshell, never seen one in person. I showed it around, but, obviously not to you.

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Gents,
It seems nobody has posted it here before.
Baden Police bayonet by Eickhorn. Large issue type.

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Andrew:

That is a very nice Baden police.

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Andrew,

A very nice Eickhorn made Baden Police Seitengewehr. Here is a photo of the two sizes and hilt colors to show the difference between the larger service bayonet, like yours, and the smaller "Extrawaffen". Both of these were made by WKC however.

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Baden Police bayonet by Eickhorn. Large issue type.


Andrew,
Here is another Baden thread - FYI
http://phpstack-500133-1583587.cloudwaysapps.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=221591&page=1


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Thanks, Gents!
ORPO: WOW! Golden Baden Police is awesome!
The same with Prussian? Small town police?


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Gemeindepolizei seems to be the best guess but unfortunately there is no period documentation yet discovered. Of course, Saxon and Bavarian Police short swords will also be found in both silver and gold finishes. Here is an example of the silver Saxon Police Seitengewehr by Eickhorn. These police sidearms were shortened and modified by the Saxons in the same manner as the Prussian Police shortened their Seitengewehre in the late 1930s for the NS Zeit nationalized police.

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Thanks ORPO!
My turn. wink
Saxon Police officer issue.
No TM.

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Hello

Here is my Police bayonet.
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Andrew,

These modified lion head Seitengewehr are very difficult to find. My dove hilt above is also an Osang. Osang made medals during this time period but I suspect they were the assemblers / distributors of these edged weapons. I particularly like your Saxon inspection marking on the blade spine. It is also interesting that one of the armorer numbers on the spine is stamped upside down. I have seen this before.

Alain,

A nice polished steel Eickhorn with the later logo and the large size serial number. I have seen these large numbers into the 100s but none larger than that. Does yours also have the T slot instead of the TO slot?



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Hi Orpo

yes, it has a T slot.
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Lest we forget: Here is the KS98 style Police bayonet with a 16½" blade. Seen with and without the Nazi Polizei grip eagle.

John, sorry for hijacking your Eick thread.

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Denny's toying with me, showing that Paweco yet again smile


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Yeah, come on, Denny... this is supposed to be for Eickhorns.

We don't want to get squirrely on you, but...


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My latest Ecihorn police bayonet is a MAX pickup. This exact bayonet can be seen on pages 79 and 153 of the Wheeler/Weinand book, German Clamshells.

It is a Weimar period bayo with the double oval CE TM. A short and narrow blade make this a private purchase item. But the most amazing thing about it is the shooting prize dedication on the blade.

Enjoy,

John

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John,that's just amazing.
Congrats


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I agree John, a stellar bayonet indeed & from such a venerable collection.


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John,
I first saw that wonderful shooting prize bayo in 1970 when Gary Walker first acquired it along with several other clamshell bayonets. I'm really glad it is in yet another prestigious collection where it will be properly appreciated.
Here is another of Gary's hand-me-downs that came from the same grouping. Apologies for the bad pic.

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Yes, as Denny points out so understatedly, I mis attributed this bayo. It is in the Walker-Weinand book, German Clamshells and is attributed to Gary Walker. BTW, many of the great items in the book were once owned by Gary.

I am proud to be able to claim stewardship of this item.

John


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This post went missing last week, so I will try to recreate it.

We talked about this doubled double oval Eickhorn (I call it a triple oval) in a thread started by Pat here.

Well, Pat, knowing that I collect these things by TM variation, graciously decided to part with this bayonet.

It has a doubled up outer oval, a serrated tail, cross armed, long eared squirrel, no CE and with an 'x' on each side of the mark over the word 'Solingen'.

It is a cut down (14 inch) blade and has matching numbers, S.D. IV.434.

I have seen this triple oval TM only on another German bayonet, a KS98 recently sold on e-ban. Also, we were shown pictures of this mark on an export bayonet.

New things crop up all the time in this hobby... isn't it wonderful?

John

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Just in time for Christmas, this beauty arrived in the mail.

It is a cut down police bayo with a 14 inch blade. It has the number X25 on the spine, the grip and on the scabbard. This also has a small double oval serrated tail TM without the CE under the squirrel.

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And, here are the two double ovals side by side for compariosn.

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Finally arriving to the Cold Whit North in time to beat Santa Claus is this medium sized (just under 13 inches or 328mm) police bayonet by Eickhorn. It has a brwon scabbard and the late war 42 over shoulder squirrel TM.

John

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I have 6 versions of the 13-14 inch bladed police bayos by Eickhorn.

From left to right, they are:

- single oval squirrel over C.E., marked P.D.18., 13in or 230mm
- large triple oval no C.E., marked S.D.IV.434, 13 1/4in 335mm
- large double oval over C.E., marked P.Bd.230., 13in 230mm
- small double oval no C.E., marked X25, 13 1/8 in 232mm
- 35-41 seated squirrel, no numbers, 12 1/2in 340mm
- 42 over shoulder, no numbers, 13 in 230mm

John

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Very impressive collection, I'm glad someone got it that appreciates police dress bayonets.

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John,

Certainly impressive but that's been par for the course. Not only have you accumulated a wonderful police variant collection in it's own right, you've managed to do it with all Eickhorns which is certainly a feat. I can only imagine what that hobby room would look like were you an aficionado of more makers!


Harry,

I love that last piece as much as John does & I would be here with me were it not for a cruel trick of timing smile I did manage to buy a super dagger with all the accouterments so don't cry for me but I definitely count myself in the group that appreciates this particular bayonet & believe me when I say it kills me I didn't keep it. The salve to my wound is it's in my friend John's stellar collection & that does console me some.


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Yep, my good buddies, Harry and Billy, were instrumental in my acquisition of the over shoulder marked police bayo.

If not for a stroke of luck and Billy's wish to have a super and rare dagger for his collection, I would be drooling over this bayo on Billy's wall.

Thank you both.

This is a really neat Christmas present from the two of you to me.

John


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Verry nice John!!!

I'm suprised to see a push button and slot as late as '42. Would have thought they were dress only by then with functional bayonets being the K98 type.

Merry Christmas all!!!

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Hi John
Wonderful collection.I love them all !!!!!

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Great Collection. Really like the small double oval.

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I picked up 2 police bayonets (yes, they are both Eickhorns) at the SOS this year.

This first one is a long (17 inches... not cut down) clamshell with the Feldjager police insignia. It also has the eickhorn single oval squirrel over CE TM.

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I now have two Feldjagers, this long one and a short (10 in) stiletto type with the double serrated no CE TM.

Here are the two together, hoping to spawn the cut down version at some point.

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The second police bayonet pickup is a variation that is shown in the Walker/Weinand book, German Clamshells on pages 96-97.

It is a short police clamshell bayonet with plain fittings and a metal scabbard.

It looks like a cross between a KS98 dress bayonet and a police bayo, has the blade and the pommel and crossguards of a KS98 along with the KS98's metal scabbard. But, it has a police type fitting on the scabbard tip and the police insignia on a stag grip along with the police clamshell.

To top it off, it has the double oval serrated tail squirrel over CE with the 5-pointed stars on the TM.

John

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John,

As always, your updates are really something special. The Feldjäger is a rare bird & the single oval just makes it all the more desirable for your Eick collection. The bayonet is rare but what I really love about it is the unusual frog & aged knot. The plain hilt is also unusual & rare. Plain hilt pieces are a nice variant in general but the strange scabbard lower fitting on an otherwise unremarkable steel scabbard really sets it apart from the usually seen stuff. Great additions both!


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Hi John. Your plain hilt clam is very questionable. The hilt does not appear to be Eickhorn. The clamshell is not the Eickhorn style. The scabbard is just a normal KS 98 type with a late lower fitting attached.The rivets don't look right either. Parts piece IMHO


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