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He guys what about E. Gierling?

where does the Gebr. Torley TM rank on 1-10 scale??..thanks Robert

Its a solid 10 I believe with 3000 being made. This is from memory, so I might be wrong on the amount made but last I checked it was a 10!

incorrect on number made(3000) as no one really knows how many were made - incorrect on rating of 10- MJM

Hi all,

Its a 9! Gierling I mean ... But y'all probably know that better then I do. Possibly 1000 made, but that number probably is made of guessing? Do listings mean "unknown but probably less than a 1000" when they say "1000"? I dont have the org McSarr, but the Nakita, and I have Siegert's book, which is essential, and WAY awesome, for the pics alone

Sincerely,
Karin-Renate

OK, I'm told I'm telling unallowed stuff there, I'm sorry, wasn't aware of ANY circumstances related to ANY of this ... please, mods/admins, by all means, delete or edit my post, masking numbers/names/whatever necessary ... I can't edit myself anymore, I tried, but, too much time exceeded

Surely Torley is a 10?

Torley is not a 10-MJM

My apologies then, I was under the impression that it was a 10. What is its rarity number then?

I am not trying to ba an a..hole here,but if people is interested in SA daggers,contact Mike McAlvana,and buy the McSarr list.
It is a great list to have

carlos1

Well I check Ralf Siegerts book, he lists it as an 10 and with about 10,000 made, pg 309 I believe.

So it seem there is conflicting views here then.

I must say one gets a lot of flak on these forums. Sometimes people are downright rude (I am recalling all the times I have been shot down on here), maybe its time to migrate to WAF indefinitly...

Hi François

YES, I saw that too? But Nakida says its a 1000 made, which would make more sense if its a 10, and both these works say it IS a 10

But, OK, just building op, to ask about that? I believe The Nakidalist is actually McSarr-list, but with added goodies? Nakida has permission to use McSarr! And, YES, I have a paid-for Nakida here.

I could be wrong though, what do I know after all, right, I'm just beginning with everything, but, Siegert, I'm told he's here on the forum? And, does the German SA book say 10.000 made for Torley too? Or is it just the translated English book that says this amount?

Just curious, I'll make a addendum by hand for incorrect number if its not correct! For future reference.

Sincerely not intending to be a Flak-target,
Karin-Renate

Krullies!

In the English version of the book it states 10.000 were made.

I was also under the impression that this was a "added" McSarr list as studied by Mr. Siegert owns observations on rarity of makers.

I am sure that on different continents different rarities would exist between different makers. Maybe in the USA Torleys might be more common than in Europe

Would be nice to have Mr.Siegerts opinion on this or even Nakida?

Don't worry my flak jacket is out of the cupboard and on at the moment...

FS

Hi François,

Thats an angle I never really thought of? I guess, the rarity goes for the world, with the internet + all, the market is all of us collectors? But, maybe not!

BUT, I recall a discussion, that has all different marks of Eickhorn as subject. And, there can be a subdivision for rarity for makers! Like, if Eickhorn uses 6 or 7 different marks, maybe the maker is a 1, with over 50000 daggers made? Some Eickhorn with a mark only used for 500 or so daggers could make THOSE daggers a higher number?

Now, I dunno, I've been talking about HACO somewhere, and learned a bit about this maker. Well, not maker, but distributor, better said! So, every dagger got numbered? THAT is SPECIAL! So, even if HACO is only 5, I can understand that these things cost so much? Maybe HACO can be subdivided too? But, we'd need to find out their makers/suppliers then though, I guess

Anyway, to be short, perhaps 1 general rarity for a maker, has subrarities too? And, ofcourse, your idea, I'd like to know about THAT too ... But, somehow, I don't think an Eickhorn would get a different number over here in Europe from the number it gets in the States? Or Australia? Or your Africa ofcourse

Sincerely,
Karin-Renate

Here is a simple logo, that I have not seen in the last 26 pages, to add to the list. Gebr.Heller

Hi Siegfried B.here is another Heller etched not stamped maker mark nats

Hey Nats I remember that photo when I first joined the GDC and you showed me the difference between my Gebr.Heller and yours that you are showing now. I was the one who had the Marienthal question about the gruppe mark Th. Yours is a good one that you posted!! Is yours an early or late model,, i dont see a Gruppe mark on yours? Larry

Here is one you do'nt see very often.nats

Hi Everyone I think this one is quite rare,
Ernst Hugo Rasspe , nats

What the name of the maker with the football on the blade?
thanks

Hey Oleg1,

You mean this 1? As attached? Its Bonntgen & Sabin, or Bonsawerk. Some 6000 made, nice whopping higher rating on "the" list I can say THAT cant I? Or ... ? Not? You'll have to get either 1 of 3 works (that I know of! Siegert's book, the Nakidalist or the McSarrlist) on this to know WHAT number

Sincerely,
Karin-Renate

Thanks I have a K98 bayo made in 1917 with this maker. Just was wondering the name.

Youre very welcome Oleg1 Is your bayonette in here somewhere? I never gave anything like that attention, so far? K98 is a rifle, right? With 1 of them handles on the side, you pull back, to load a bullet? Or ... ? Anyhow, not Präsentationsdolch-stuff I guess, but still, cool

A lot of these dagger/bayonet makers started by making straight razors, scissors, pocket knives and kitchen ware. That is a great little ad. Karin. Thanks for posting it. I've never seen an SA marked with that mark. Though I would love to see one.

Also yes Karin a K98 was the standard weapon that was issued to a Soldier in the Wehrmacht. Think 12-13 million were produced by wars end. It is a 5 shot, bolt action rifle. Its not nearly as pretty and stylish as those pin and medals you collect though.

Hi Adam



Yes, indeed! Inoticed that, some months ago, finding out how to translate what was going on in a maker mark into words. There was more to that mark, and there are other collectingworlds specializing in that! Very cool. I also found daggerpics with marks, I think I saved as much as I found, but I can be trusted to make a mess of my computer *LOL* Ill start the hunt ...



5 shots only? Like, wow, you'd have to reload every 5 shots? Is that clips? Or 5 single bullets? Or both, like, you have to load clips you can load in the rifle? I have been reading War of the Rats, just in a cr*ppy dutch translation, but its a great story! With a female main character even, yay! The end, is very very heavy to read, very emotional, but also very cold, and, somehow, a weird unexpected end, maybe it even felt unfair, in a way, but, such is life, I guess, and war is even worse? So, anyway, some technicalities came along, like rifle comparison, and how the Russian Nagant rifle, was more loved by German (+ ofcourse Russian) snipers then the German Mauser. The Russian gun had a better long distance precision. Interesting stuff. Not all clear (yet?) to me, so, I had to ask, thanks

Sincerely,
Karin-Renate

Here is a Bontgen & Sabin from my Collection. Nice makers mark for sure .
Its rate a "7" on the Mc Sarr.

LH

Wow, LH, LOOK at THAT crossgrain Crispy makermark, awesome! Would you share more of it if we ask nicely?

Oh yes karin Renate.
I will make a new tread later with some new SA daggers just land in + this Sabin

One more.. Picture is of the same dagger.

Rick & E. Hartkopf SA

LH

http://phpstack-500133-1583587.cloudwaysapps.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=226800#Post226800

Hello here is SA Koch & Rauch that i sold ten years ago: http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5871/daguekr003.jpg

Here is a rare "Ernst Kemper" which is 10 on the Mc Sarr list with abt. 1000 pieces produced...enjoy

Those are both very epic-looking, sirs! What rarity is the Koch & Rau (no CH is there?) now? The list I have tells 8, but, Im told that list is renewed now? The Herbertz&Meurer I posted is now up a number from 7 to 8 in rarity!

Bye,
KR