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What do you think of this ring?
The ring belongs to Kai Winkler.The mans name was Hans Schindler, (found in the SS Dienstaltersliste)
thanks.
Regards.
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Schindler is a common German name,four Schindlers had early rings. So how do you know it was Hans ?
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Presentation and promotion date being the same maybe??
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I enclose a copy of SS Dienstaltersliste.
Name and dates attributed ring to Hans Schindler.
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It looks like an original honor ring to me.
"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to relive it" Santayana
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thanks for your opinion Zorro... 
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Looks fine to me as well......no red flags...cheers, Ryan
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Ryan, you think it genuine?
many saw the ring, but few have given a review.
I sorry for my bad english....
Think you can have news about Hans Schindler?
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no other comment?
Thanks to all.
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Looks good to me and Winkler is respected dealer.
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No problems here either, I like it too!
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- you know usually these rings even in bad condition have nice inner bands.. This ring has some weird condition to it. What the hell happened to it,,ground dug or something?
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Noticed that as well G. If I didn't know better I'd think this one was cast in a rubber mold with the apparent inclusion flaws!!  Jim
Last edited by jim m; 09/24/2010 06:08 AM.
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Gaspare, in fact you are not alone in pointing out that the ring could be excavated.What is your opinion on the originality? Jim, I did not understand what you meant. I have problems with language, I'm sorry again.
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Quote:
"Jim, I did not understand what you meant."
Casting items in rubber molds can result in voids(simply put holes like in this example) and shrinkage from the size of the original. There is apparentely a prominent void shown in picture 2 of the example above.
However; I suspect this ring was ground dug and the void may have been caused by other phenomonon.
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ok Kim, I understand what you mean.
you think that the ring has a good chance of being authentic and can be found in an excavation. Is that right?
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1902:
The source(where it was found) of a ring in this condition is always speculative. However; Any ring in this condition has probably been exposed to some very adverse conditions.
Again; from what little we know; it is believed that many of these rings were lost in battle or simply discarded at wars end.
Again; I am NOT an expert on these rings and what I've stated here is just my opinion after following and trying to learn about these for the past ten years. There are a couple of people who are considered experts on this subject but they don't post on this forum.
Jim
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Jim, you have been very kind to respond.
thanks for your opinion.
I know what people you refer, I am too disappointed that they did not intervene, but I'm happy that others have said their opinion.
Regards.
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can someone help me to find news about Hans Schindler?
I do not know where to start ...
I thank you
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This may be your man.
SS-Obersturmführer Hans Schindler(Auschwitz II -Birkenau)
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Brian:
Isn't Schindler a pretty common name in Germany? Might he be better off starting with the Dienstalterlist and seeing which Schindlers are listed as TK ring recipients?
Jim
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from Dienstalterlist:
Schindler Hans,
nr. partei: 293940
SS. nr. 3113
Date of Birth: 26.01.1908
untersturmfuhrer: 16.11.1933
obersturmfuhrer: 12.8.1934
hauptsturmfuhrer: 20.4.1936
sturmbannfuhrer: 11.9.1938
can learn more?
maybe find a photo ....
know where and how he died...
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You might contact Russ Kelbaugh(SP?) who posts here periodically. He has had good success in running down information on SS personel.
Jim
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Thank you Jim, I will try to do as you say.
Mark.
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I tried to search among the names of the forum, but I have not found.
my friend advised me to look on the website of the National Archives, but I have problems with the language and it is very difficult to me...
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Hi Mark: Hans Schindler, SS Nr. 3113 has a SS Officer File and a Race & Settlement (Rasse-und Seidlung) in the National Archives. He may have a NSDAP membership file card as well. Contact me for more information. By the way, there are 263 with the last name SCHINDLER in the Master Index of SS Names in the Archives. Enjoy! Ross Kelbaugh www.ssdaggers.com
"Making History Personal"- Research for Collectors by a Collector.
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Hi All: Here's one of the photos of Hans Schindler, SS Nr. 3113, that comes from his SS Officer File. Enjoy! Ross Kelbaugh www.ssdaggers.com
"Making History Personal"- Research for Collectors by a Collector.
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Thanks Ross for your help!
I do not know yet what to think about the originality of the ring, someone still has some remarks to make?
again thanks to all those who left a comment.
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