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Hi guys , can you give me any info on my busby ?

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Graeme
I wish I could help with your busby, I'm sure others will be able to help you, just as an aside could you give us a few more details on the edged weapon directly behind it.

Bill

If I did my homework correctly it is a Prussian Landwehr Hussar enlisted busby. The cross is a landwehr cross.
The busby should be an earlier version as war time versions were made of felt or fiber. Is the fur brown or black?
Not at all sure what the blue Kolpak (busby bag) is representative of. I read they were not used during the war.

--dj--Joe

As to originality, I can not tell.

An interesting site.
http://www.kaisersbunker.com/

--dj--Joe

We need pictures of the intero. The enlisted busby were made out of a bamboo frame. A leather finger liner. The outside is covered with a Black seal skin fur. During war brass chinscales were replaced with a leather chinstrap . Same style as the pickelhaubes. You will have to post better pictures.To get a better answer.

Thanks Joe Semen

Hi,appreciate your intrest guys i should have mentioned it is dated 1918 ,joe you were bang on with the bamboo consruction will post interior pics thanks .

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Bill almost forgot one is an old imperial falchion the other is 1st pat luft dag

Hi, Hate to give you bad news,From the first photos had gut feeling this was bad. But the construction of this busby is all wrong. Have look at Kaiserbunker webpage . He has a example of what they should look like inside and out. Good chance his chinstrap is a copy. But that is my personell opinion. Sorry for the bad news.


Thanks Joe Semen

This is a bad copy, nothing more. Joe is right with his opinion.

Regards Kolibri

Hi everybody,

This is an oldy topic, but, Im getting intrested in Busbys (Busbies? where does the word come from anyhow?) cos of a new (to me) subject playing in imperial Germany.

Now, on Busbys, these are way expensive, but some parts can be found seperately? I've seen 1 totally awesome + very real example on this forum already; a Pelzmütze Preußen Totenkopf. So, are there more Totenköpfe in members hands? Or maybe not in hands, but on pics? And, how would you learn to see the difference between real/evilfake? I searched, but nothing came up for Busby or Pelzmütze.

We've been to Huis Doorn recenly, and all dutch members should go visit that, so beautiful and lovely! And, all people visiting Holland should come see it; Wilhelm II's residence in Exile. Totally amazing, I promise!

Now, I have here a skull, reckon its not real, it comes from a shop in Belgium, I didn''t bring it, but Im told it was cheap. It looks wicked tho, very cool for display. But what is it? Ive learned about WWII Raptor fakes and, forgot the "other" big fakers name, postwar crosses by Souval, and sofort, but, what fakes are known for busbys/Totenköpfe?

I know the pics are very bad. I can make better pics if you want. The 1st I just had to add too; Viktoria Luise, I'm learning about her, reading her own book Im Glanz der Krone. YES, in German, and its autographed too, ha! She was such a lovely person, and left so much knowledge by writing. Oh, yes ... and, no way any other woman EVER had a Pelzmütze more wicked then hers!

Bye,
KR

Hi Karin,

A nice original Pelzmütze would be the crowning glory of a good headress collection, but they've always scared the devil out of me, ha!

I'm sure the price would be quite substantial for a proper example and the hunt fairly difficult, especially for a first-rate Totenkopf Hussars Mütze. I'd most likely never leave the house staring at one of those ...

A trip to Huis Doorn, nice! The closest I ever got to that collection was seeing a very extensive set of good photos taken by one of the real old-timers when he made a visit back in the sixties. He made arrangements to stay for several days and took scads of nice color photographs. The word "impressive" would be a big understatement - it was well beyond amazing !!! Hope you had the opportunity to take some snaps, too?

If you have your mind set on acquiring a good busby, please take your time and proceed with the utmost caution, ja please?

Have you visited - www.derrittmeister.com

There you'll see some really fantastic stuff but I assure you, the prices for the "good-stuff" is/are not for the faint of heart ...

Maybe if we're lucky one of our members will share a nice original with us? Perhaps even a couple more tips?

Best regards!

Bill

Hi Bill,

Many many thanks for the large reply! Huis Doorn, oh my, I cant begin to even explain, all is left as it was, 1 room that empty, got made back into its settings as it was when Wilhelm lived there, all done from pics ... all the rich furtniture, items, also clear to see stuff was brought from palaces and way bigger places then Huis Doorn. Carpets only rolled partly, the cupboard with tableware, so huge I cant explain, but also lovely details like the special Kaiserliche fork, which was also a knife. The Kaiser had a handycap you know, which he hid very well. The gorgeous (!!) uniforms show 1 sleeve shorter/adapted to his uneveness. The left arm, was about 15 centimeters/5.9 inch shorter then the right! Birth was not very smooth and the arm was torn out of the shouldersocket, that wasn''t noticed till much later. He wasn't praralised but nerves got damaged and growth never was as it should be. It caused him much trouble, grief, hurt. 1 of the things that made him a bit much in the "can be a difficult person to please or like" field to some. What is very cool to see, the bond with Oranje (dutch royalty) family, and the english queen Victoria and family! Hell, look at Wilhhelm II in his youth and see prince Charles in the face! Wilhelm II? MUCH smaller ears tho

Too bad Wilhelm lived so in the passed, not much pics/evidence of his kids, so, not much Viktoria Luise. 2 amazing drawings of her wedding, and a portrait in her moms resting room, is about it. Wilhelms mom has more attention. Especially the enlargend pic of her riding horseback in english uniform, in Wilhelms study, wow ... smashing! But also, the blue ceramics given as weddingpresent, that true royaly blue english Wedgewood I mean, stunningly gorgeous ... and so very much more ... from something as small as an EK 1, framed, in a doorway, to something like a giant silver drakkar viking boat given by German government, a HUGE table decoration piece, with a great story attached, its all so amazing ... Anyhow, too much in that house ... and outside, so much too! The Auguste Viktoria Rose Garden, the "Der Fischer" statue, and the horsestatue given by Preußian women, the mausoleum, the parc, gosh ...

Lost myself a bit, sorry, so, pics, yeah some, but only outside. No pics allowed inside! Not long ago, the house + everything in it, was made a foundation (I guess, not sure if that translates well, but, anyway) and the rules of visiting changed. It got more open to the public, BUT, with more restriction. Many things got renovated, restored, with original stuff, fabric, material, all found in the attic. Again, the house was so much smaller then the family used to live in ... everything was there and too much of it; carpets, curtains, name it ... a team of superskilled museum-restorers got to work. Again, amazing! Also again, too bad no pics can be taken inside. Outside you can take pics. They sell books though! With pics inside the house. I have both books near me here. I can scan pics if you want, but I think I need to send them by PM for copyrights?

Also, they sell reprinted copies of genuine pics, original shots from back then. They still need to digitalize a lot, but already over 5000 of Wilhelm II + family pics are available! Not cheap tho. But, I have here 5 pics of Viktoria Luise, lovely. They will be framed with the skull you see above. The pics are repro ofcourse, so, the skull can be repro too. It looks great, so, why not? Also, the poscards, are very real, they"d need a real skull. There is 1 over at ebays right now? Somehow, it look wrong tho. What do you think? Prongs could be OK, but, they should be on an extra firm piece of metal? And, a maker on a Totenkopf? Weird. Also, detail, there should be more, no? The top hook-eye-thing thing, looks weak too? BUT, it looks awesome as skull! Just dont know if its a good 1, or a (good?) fake.

A busby, like you say, together, complete, oh my yes, maybe this year, or next, we ll visit the historic museum in Rastat Germany, where Viktoria Luise her uniform is too. Id love to see THAT busby! Der Ritmeister, yes, YES, you wont believe this, but, 1 of the cards I have comes from Rittmeister, I think its the same shop? And he actualy told my uncle about Doorn. We didnt know! Just starting to dig into all of this totally amazing Wilhelm stuff.

BTW, Rittmeister has a busby for sale, and a Totenkopf, but, LOOK at that price, ouch! Nah Im not buying, and, I wouldn"t have no proper way to display something so pretty, it needs a proper loving home, where it gets protection, and the care it deserves. Coz, look at that thing, totally amazing ... No I rrrrealy want to see Viktoria Luises busby, yeah for sure, I will! But, this is something else to actually have up close. Well, besides the fact that it costs some limbs *LOL*

Anyway, we already have Joe 's superawesome busbyskull here, for all who missed out. Aint that cool?! And see too that it looks way better then the skull on ebay ... OK, I reached my wordcount today I think *LOL*

Bye,
KR