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Gentlemen, I am trying to determine if this is authentic. I think it is..and come up with a good value. I appreciate any help you can give me. I am a moderator on 2 different Luger Forums as I collect them but relatively new here.
Thanks in advance.

Jerry Burney

Thanks in advance.

Jerry Burney

Jerry Burney

There is no maker mark

chip in front of handle

back side of blade

I am no expert but looks ok to me if all original i would expect a price tag of anywhere between $5000-$7000 there is quite a bit of staining on the blade which i think may put some people off but in general its quite a nice dagger.This is JMO.Please wait for other opinions as the more knowledgeable fellas will be around soon.
Regards Adam

Adam, Thanks very much for your thoughts. I have not cleaned the dagger. It is just as I recieved it from the vets nephew. He inherited it and several others. I collect Imperial Navy & Artillery Lugers and accoutrements but couldn't resist these. I know there are two different prices, one for buying and one for selling.
I will become a premium member here because I need to use the for sale section. I look forward to anyone's thoughts on this dagger.
Thanks, Jerry Burney

Hi Jerry if it was my dagger i would see if you could get some of the stains off the blade as with all edged weapons the blade is where most of the money is,there are always the hardcore amongst us that say never clean anything but this is down to personal preferance, if the blade is uncleaned then some of the marks may come off then again they may not.I would hang fire though until some of the other guys come on and give their opinions.
I hope this helps you
Regards Adam

What is the condition of the motto side of the blade?

Skyline, The motto appears to be unmolested. No buffing..Dark interior. I cannot tell if it is what's left from blackening originally or patina?
Adam, I have not cleaned the blade..I guess I could but I would want to research the Forum to do it right. I restore Luger holsters for a living and I have learned not to attempt to improve something unless I know what the unintended consequences might be.

I will try to post a better photo of the motto if that would help.
Many thanks, I do appreciate the expertise found here.

Jerry Burney

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Hi again Jerry i dont know why no one else has replied yet its quiet most days around here , regarding the blade it isnt really that bad put it one way i have seen alot worse, but if some of the stains are greying then you will struggle to remove them no matter what you do and you could make things worse.The only way i have ever cleaned mine is with a product called simichrome paste i just apply a very small amount then wipe gently accross the blade from side to side ie from the spine of the blade to the outside edges (this helps try to preserve the original factory crossgrain)dont go overkill and dont do it over the motto, you may lighten it or remove it slightly which is a big no no,original burnishing is what alot of collectors like with these daggers so try to be carefull whatever you do.
I would still wait around before you do anything just to see what the other guys opinions are just to make sure i havent missed anything as i am merely a novice with only a couple of years experience!
Best of luck whatever you do from sunny England..... Adam

From the pictures it looks okay to me. Grats on the new m36!

I am a little cautious on the grip eagle,, I am not used to seeing the wings tipped upward slightly and it looks brand new, compared to the rest of the dagger.
Also the 2nd photo showing the chain. Look at the link closest to the bottom of the photo and slightly to the right of the center. It almost looks new and aluminum.
The first photo you posted the grip eagle really stands out, with no matching patina with the rest of the dagger. I would like to see close ups of the tang nut. IMO since it is asked for, some of it is authentic and some not. Best Larry

Looks OK to me. Sometimes pictures show several parts in different light and it may create the wrong impression. Also the aluminium eagle doesn't have necessary to be patinated in the same way as parts made from other materials. Eagle and wood around it looks unmolested.

Hi,
Better pics of the chain assembly would be a great help in assessing originality here. I see no red flags, but then again the pictures are so small that not a lot can be seen.

Best regards,

Thanks to all who helped me with this SS chained dagger. I hope to place it here on the for sale section shortly and since I don't want to see it sit but to actually sell it for a fair and bargain price I wonder if I could get any views on what to price it at for a quick sale? I know the market is weak and that's just the way it is. Any of you fellows care to stick your neck out and give an old Luger boy some sales advice? Anytime you have a Luger you want the same for let me know..I am up to speed on those!
Thanks, Jerry Burney

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Jerry, check under "SS Daggers" at Gunbroker.com. There are several chained daggers there that have been there for months. You may be able to get an idea as to the condition of those, compared to yours. You can see how they are priced and know they are not selling at those prices. Dealers charge much higher prices and seem to sell one occasionally. But, there could (and probably is) a difference in asking price and selling price. Also, some are willing to pay a premium to a dealer for "peace of mind" whne it comes to authenticity. After you decide on what you want for the daqger, be sure to read the rules covering selling here.

Grumpy, Thanks, I will do just that. I do appreciate the advice. Good idea.

Jerry Burney

Hi the dagger is fine in all aspects. A fair market value for a dagger in this condition is $6000 in my opinion...with a better conditioned blade it would be pushing $7000 and with a mint blade beyond that...Congrats and Good Luck! cheers, Ryan

Since your a novice in daggers I think it's important to give you the SS Chained dagger overview. I need to ramble on a bit so you can make a proper decision.
In 2006 nobody could find chained SS daggers. Everybody wanted them. All the top dealers were 'out' and had waiting lists for them.
Today it's a whole different story. I have spoken about this model to two major dealers I know and they both tell me that chained SS dagger (unless they are near mint) are hard to sell today.
Now I also had two chained SS's I sold this year. Both were
gorgeous examples. One was at a show another through a forum. Everyone would say: "Wow! that's really nice-and fairly priced". But it remained unsold till I reduced it until it was by far the best deal around. Then it sold.
Most really don't want to quote prices in this market. Since it's really hard to tell what you can get. Personally I think today $6,000 for that example is too high. It will 'sit'. Now this is JMO.
The key in this market is to price it right 'going-in'. Right Off! Price it to SELL!
I see every day guys that should know better price their items too right going out fresh. Then it's like a game...it doesn't sell and it's a 'dead item'. Now comes the dreadful begining of the end...The Reduction usually down to Davey Jones locker before it sells or it's withdrawn.
The sellers complain with "Hey THIS IS A DEAL!" Well I'm sorry...perhaps it was a 'deal' two years ago but we are here and now.
So if you price it 'Right' it will sell. Listen to some of these 'yeterdays numbers' and it will in all likelyhood sit around till it's reduced.

The blade doesn't look minty from what little I can tell from the photos. You want it to go to a new home? Put a '4' in front of it's number.

-serge-

Serge,Ryan, Thank you both for taking the time to give advice. It is truely appreciated.
Lugers have experienced the same...Top quality, rarity and originality are still good sellers to those with money, it's a buyers market for sure.
I did take Grumpy'd advice and did research on the Johnson site and Ebay. All very informative.
I will see what I can do to offer it here in the trader section in a short while. See if any members want this old warrior in a collection. When it is listed I will also post much better photo's.
Thanks to all for the help.

Jerry Burney

I don't have lots of experience, but I can tell you that I am currently on the market for a chained SS and I would strongly side with Serge on this if not even lower. I have been watching the dealer sites, and none of them have moved a chained SS in months at 6 thousand and above. I really feel like a quick sale price is going to have to be below 4 with this blade.

I agree with Serge. Not many are willing to pay six thousand hard earned US dollars for a dagger with some condition problems.
The problem with asking dagger value on this site is that a lot of the prices are given by dealers or high end collectors. They have a vested interest in keeping prices inflated.
Last year at the Max a dealer had a minty early chained SS at ten thousand. It was perfect. Last I heard he was trying to sell it to another dealer for fifty five hundred.