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#242257 - 03/28/11 11:07 AM Büscher Sportmodell "Kraft durch Freude" [Re: Erich]
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Thanks Eric! I was secretly hoping you showed something Thüringen or Coburg! The 100th post in KdF! And, this 100th post is even about guns?!? Never would've expected that ever, for both things! Thanks to everyone who contributes and reads here!

Originally Posted By: Denny Gaither
...Here is my only KdF item; a 4mm JG Anschutz training rifle. Hopefully you can provide more information on the KdF shooting programs?..


Hi Denny! Well, the shootingprogram, actualy, adds to the Thüringen-post above! Coincidence, yes! The 1920s, lots was goin on in Germany, and early 1930s, Germany was in full relaunch, and people were inspired/told/teached to take care of themselves, their living environment, and also Germany as a whole. Kämpfen really is the word that NSDAP loves very much, and people were "educated" for battle readyness. Physical fitness was very important, and there was much attention for sports. Kraft durch Freude got to be the leading organisation for many of this and more, already told a bit here.

In the 1930s, they took much effort to make shooting and learning to shoot a big sport in Germany. The very first Reichsschießschule Für die Hitler Jugend was formed in Obermaasfeld, Thüringen. The yearbook for young people "Der Gute Kamerad 1937-1938" tells a bit about how from all over Germany they came to the Thüringen Reichsschießschule to learn how to handle guns and shoot. 2 chosen Hitler Jugend Mitglieder, came together from every Gau or district. These were called "Anwärten", and were educated to be Schießwarten for their Gau/district.

This ofcourse was all grouped around the area Thüringen, the landscape was very suitable for shooting. To make shooting more popular, and better reachable for more people evrywhere, a Kleinkaliber Übungswaffe was adopted. A decree from may 11 1938 made it official; it was the Wehrmann Gewehr "Büscher Sportmodell Kraft durch Freude", or also called Zimmergewehr. This gun looked very much like the 34-Deutsche Sport Modell (or 34-DSM 34) mentioned 3 posts back here, and, also like the Karabiner 98k. This K98k was the best multi-shot-gun, most precise, most liked by shooters, eaziest to handle and most reliable gun in all circumstances or target-uses. The Wehrmann and DSM guns, made the guns especially very much like the K98k. Die National Sosialistischen Gemeinschaft "Kraft durch Freude" made the Wehrmann Gewehr their training rifle. Below, a period Rundschreiben der Polizeipräsident an alle Schießsportveranstaltungen, here it got official, the Büscher-model was now the chosen Kraft durch Freude training-gun;



The KdF-Gewehr that Denny shows, is the Wehrmann-Gewehr. This was the basic modell. The next, slightly bigger modell, was the Wehrsport Karabiner. The diffrences that I get about these, are, the shoulderstrap is fastened a bit diffrent, and, you can put a bajonet on the Wehrsport Karabiner, it has a fastener for a Seitengewehr. Also the sliding visor is difrent. There are many many other internal things, that I don't know how to explain, cause I don't shoot, but I can try if anyone wants to know what I found out so far. But, basically, both guns, work and are the same. Below, a period ad for the guns. You can see where the Seitengewehr can be put on the Wehrsport Karabiner.



Both the Wehrmann Gewehr and the Wehrsport Karabiner rifles got made by company called "Waffenwerk Julius Gottfried Anschütz Germania Aktiengesellschaft, Zella Mehlis", or short J.G. Anschutz. Zella Mehlis, is a city in Thüringen, so right where the Reichsshießschule began. Also another company made a gun very much like the Büscher Sportmodell; Berlin-Suhler-Waffen- und Fahrzeugwerken, or BSW. This some time later got to be the Gustloff-werke, that we also already saw in Thüringen. BSW made the "W 625 Z" gun.



The Kraft durch Freude Büscher gun realy made training for using the loved K98k very popular and very eazy. No longer you need a suitable area with safeties to learn to shoot and to practise shooting a real gun. The Anschutz gun can be used in any room, anywhere. Ofcourse you need suitable targets to shoot at, and 4mm bullets. Below, 2 period ads for targets and holders;





Maybe Robert and Brad Simpsons new book will know, like Denny said, but, very many of these KdF guns got destroyed, after WWII, not even recycled. Too bad, cause the wood used was very good quality walnut-tree-wood, and the metals where quality forged, shaped and made. So, its hardly likely, Ill ever own any gun. But, if I ever will, it will be one of these KdF Anschütze, and, if I ever will, I should know at least a basic bit about them, and now I do Thanks again Denny for showing your gun! Will see if I can find anything on your Waffengenossenschaft?

Bye,
KR
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#242267 - 03/28/11 04:53 PM Re: Büscher Sportmodell "Kraft durch Freude" [Re: Krullies]
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Karin,
Thank you so much for sharing this information; especially the scanned pictures. I have not before seen the 1st document announcing the Büscher Sportmodell K.d.F. The JGA Wehrsport Karabiner was their attempt to create a training rifle closer to the actual German service rifle, the K98-k. The official version was called the Klein Kaliber Wehrsportgewehr or KKW. I believe the firms of Mauser, Walther and BSW/Gustloff were the only officially approved companies to manufacture the KKW, so JGA created this knock-off.
Regarding BSW, they originally started off as the Simson company, but were taken over by the NSDAP along with so many other Jewish-owned companies. Later, BSW was merged with Gustloff. Prior to BSW's manufacture of the DSM-34 & the KKW, they were marketing their own line of training rifles known as the W625 series. These were the W625, W625A, W625B, W625C, W625L - all .22 caliber and the W625Z which was 4mm. Thanks again for the picture of the very rare W625Z rifle. Is this also from the Akah catalogue?
I must say, your researching skills are superb! I am going to forward this thread to some friends who are much more knowledgeable than I in these matters. Hopefully they will visit and add to the discussion. Thanks again....


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Description: This picture is taken from der Handbuch der SA 1939 and shows a cross section drawing of the Klein Kaliber Wehrsportgewehr.

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Description: Here are some additional manufacturers of German training rifles. There were others.


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#242310 - 03/29/11 07:52 AM Re: Büscher Sportmodell "Kraft durch Freude" [Re: Denny Gaither]
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Thanks Denny! Nice your scans too! I still like your KdF and your other Grüne Herz best, but, would love to see a Gustloff-Werke gun! Yeah there were other companies that made Übungswaffen, but, I wanted to stick to Kraft durch Freude, and, so focus on the proud KdF-Anschütz you show, and just stay around that gun a little, and not drift away too far, to stay on topic. A thing like Gustloff-Werke is also very interesting, also to learn about what is behind that name, would be handy if a sortof subtopic of things was possible? A new topic beside this, will get behind, pushed back, lost, I think? Oh and pics in text, you can only attach them, not put them inside a post-text, from within GDC? Or how do you do that?

Anyhow, Übungswaffen, there surely was many other guns made by other manufacturers too like the Wehrmann Kaliber 8.15x46R, DWJ6/88, DWJ7/88, DWJ10/88 that was more of a tube to stick into the K98k barrel to make it a smaller calibre, also barrels to stick into Luger pistols like DWJ2 and DWJ3/89 to make these shoot smaller bullets too. But it gets all fuzzy for me there, I don't understand all the terms and what they are/mean, cause I don't shoot, I think you really must know guns, to talk about all of that, no? I can try but I need at least to do a tad more homework for that. But thats all not very KdF anymore.

The Kleinkaliber Übungswaffen are very intresting, maybe you and your friends can tell us about these? They deserve a topic for themselves. The pic from the W625Z rifle, is from a BSW-Katalog, page 50, no year, sorry. The JGA guns, yes, from Akah, and the Klappkugelfang and Zimmerschießstände also from an ad by Akah in 1939, which actuly is the company Albrecht Kind in Gummersbach-Hünstig. This still exists.

Bye,
KR
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#242345 - 03/29/11 11:45 AM Re: Büscher Sportmodell "Kraft durch Freude" [Re: Krullies]
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Originally Posted By: Krullies
from Akah, and the Klappkugelfang and Zimmerschießstände also from an ad by Akah in 1939, which actually is the company Albrecht Kind in Gummersbach-Hünstig. This still exists.

Bye,
KR


Yes, Akah has been in existance I believe for well over a century. I think their locations during the N.S. Zeit were Berlin & Nürnberg. The firm was, and still may be, a prolific lederwaren manufacturer - i.e. holsters, usw. Here is the official holster for the "Ehrenwaffe des Politischen Leiters". Albrecht Kind was the only manufacturer authorized by the NSDAP to produce this holster.
OK! That is quite enough of the little side-trips away from the KdF topic here. I promise this is my last OT post.

Karin, if you (or anyone else) have any non-KdF questions I can answer, please email me at dengaiXnetzero.net. (you know what to do with the X.


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Description: AkAh PL holster w/Hoheitsabzeichen.

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Description: The Akah Leaf-Bearskin trademark.




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#242349 - 03/29/11 01:45 PM Re: Büscher Sportmodell "Kraft durch Freude" [Re: Denny Gaither]
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Hi Denny! Surely you haven't been off by a longshot Didnt mean it that way, I learned something alltogether new! So, I hope you keep on going here? Thanks for the info! Pistolholsters! Actualy found some nice infos on these, when searching for anything on your KdF-Anschütz, and KdF-shooting-training, a little while back .. very amazingly awesome shots Denny, you have so much guns! Thanks again, for sharing, very nice marks on the holster!

Bye,
KR
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#242449 - 03/31/11 02:20 PM Paul's "Kraft durch Freude" flag [Re: Krullies]
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Here it is, Paul's awesome flag! Or, one like that, anyways .. Attached pics 3, 4 and 5 .. Waving from cordage of the boat "Robert Ley", already talked about here. All 3 scans, from the very pretty book "Nach Dem Glücklichen Inseln". The book tells of KdF-holidaytravels to Madeira and Tenerife. Travels to Madeira and the Canaries, were part of the KdF-Atlantikfahrten, but more on those in another post sometime. The book has only and very many very beautiful full-colour pictures, it gives so much info, and tells fun things and also thrilling stories about Kriegsmarine escorts and so on. These were necesary sometimes, even if no war was goin on overthere at that time. These Madeira/Tenerife Atlantikfahrten got postponed a year because the war broke out.

Madeira, is part of Portugal, and tourism still makes this island the most rich district of Portugal. During world war II, Portugal was neutral, because it kept alive a treaty from 1386 named Treaty of Windsor, this was a peace-alliance between England and Portugal. Tenerife, is part of the Canary Islands, and the biggest island. The Canaries are part of Spain, but, autonomous, and also neutral during world war II.

Churchill and Hitler both of them made invasionplans for the Canary Islands. Churchill made plans in case Spain joined Germany and would invade thruogh Gibraltar. Hitler made plans to take the Canaries, these plans had codename Felix, but the plans never got reality, because Germany needed Spain for this invasion and Spain never actully joined Germany/the Axis forces. Spain was very weak after the civil war. Here we touch Legion Condor, and thats way beyond this KdF-topic.

See the 2nd attached shot. The book has a nice DAF-stamp, and dedication in it. It starts with "PG", meaning Parteigenosse, so, the dedication is in english; "Fellow party member Friedrich Lüttich, to his today's birthday, with best wishes", the signature, unfortunatly, unable to read. The stamp is of DAF, and reads "Ortswaltung Bayerische Flugzeugwerke Regensburg". And the Gau, Bayerische Ostmark. After 1942, this Gau was called Bayreuth, so this is allright, if you look at the written date, 25.4 1940. There is also, a DAF function title, "Orts-. u. Betriebsobmann.". Text, a bit faint, but, thats what it says. This Flugzeugwerke Regensburg is actualy is Messerschmit GmbH.

The KdF-Gauwart in Bayerische Ostmark was Max Dümmler. NSDAP Gauleiter at the date the book was given was Fritz Wächtler. The stamp tells much info like Ortswaltung and the function title. Ortswaltung, is something like local governance. And Ortsobmann is some sortof local leader. Betriebsobmann, a company leader, but for section DAF, not the company itself! How this is connected to the German organisation of things, is so very very great explained actuly in the book underneath the book "Nach Den Glücklichen Inseln" in the background. This is the book "Du Bist Sofort Im Bilde". This tells all things 3rd Reich; ranks, Kragenspiegel and whatever insignia, of SA/NSKK, Wehrmacht, police, flags, evrything, organisations, people, laws, views, history, future, politics, culture, so yes also Kraft durch Freude. You can see the page there, that tells "Sorgen Sie mir dafür, daß das Deutsche Volk wieder lachen lernt". And that was the assignment that Hitler gave Robert Ley, and this was what started Kraft durch Freude. The book is more in detail here. Truly very awesome that book! It answers many things you want to know! Almost you need no forums anymore for many things *LOL* I also saw that this Glücklichen-Inseln-book that shows Paul's flag is in detail here, same site, if you're intrested. See how beautiful that book is! Fun, no?

Enjoy,
KR


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Description: Dedication + stamp

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Description: Paul's waving flag!

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Description: The coast of Santa Cruz..

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Description: Somewhere on the Canaries...


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#242638 - 04/03/11 05:32 PM The "Kraft durch Freude" Kodak Box 620 Kamera [Re: Krullies]
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Originally Posted By: Krullies
..But theres more .. imagine this; there's actually still a roll of film in this KdF-Kodak-Box, YES. If this aint thrilling then what is??! Im being supported in getting it out. Whats inside can go many ways, but surely dont want to break or ruin anything, or waste any shots by light, so, I'm still learning all I can and building up courage for it! ...


Last friday, I finaly dared it; I winded up the film in the camera, all according to instructions I had. Still not sure if any film was actualy inside that day. Some texts passing by the little red window, no numbers, surely there was film, and all used up! And today, I dared to pull out the film-winding-knob, to release the case, and press the back from the front. The camera didnt want to, took some force to get it out of its hybernate I reckon. Somehow, a very tense moment, and, finaly it opened, and there it was ... look at that ... Its an Agfa film .. the little blue label was dried out and let go of the film a long time ago, the black straps you see around the filmroll, is my hairband, against advice, I ofcourse forgot to get stickytape to put over the film to keep it secure and tightly rolled up. The shots are poor, very dimm lit, no flash, as little light as possible ofcourse used! About a minutes exposure time, and there it is for you to see ... next, find out WHAT exactly is on/in there ... already, this is so much fun, awesomely exciting this .. more to come!

Bye,
KR


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#242688 - 04/04/11 06:24 PM Re: The "Kraft durch Freude" Kodak Box 620 Kamera [Re: Krullies]
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#242719 - 04/05/11 02:24 PM KdF-Gauwandertreffen Kaiserslautern, 15. Aug. 1937 [Re: derjager]
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Originally Posted By: derjager
Will be watching.

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Well, the search is now for a photostudio that still does these old films! Turns out, laws sometimes prevents use of chemicals you need to develop filmroll like this? And it takes 3 kinds of equipment, not used much anymore, too Already learned, the Agfa Isopan F film, is a black and white film, see a 1943 package-box here. Its finegrain film, ISO 40, the film sensitivity-speed. The higher the ISO the more sensitive the film is, and the less exposuretime you need. 100 is pretty standard today, and no less then ISO 64 is for sale anymore? 200 is 2 times more sensitive then 100, and would need half as much light to make a picture. Black and white film, captures light not colours, so, filmgrains turn black if exposed to light. The darker the grainparticle, the more light it took, and ofcourse each colour has its own amount of light reflected when put to Black/White. The finer the grain of the film, the more particles grabbing light and the more detailed the blackened grains paint the negative-picture. See here for more if you want.

So, developing the film surely ain't solved yet. Meanwhile, here's another Abzeichen that shows again it doesn't take a lot to make it look a million, this metal Gauwandertreffen Kauserslautern, 15. August 1937 pin, German "wandern" means "to hike" or "to walk", I think the first is better here. Lovely pin, very nice details, looks stunning, also never saw it before, but its in Tiëste. The 15th august, 2 days before that, Japan attacked Shanghai. Kaiserslautern has much NSDAP activities, at least when you look at how many Kaiserslautern Tagungsabzeichen exist! Kaiserslautern also has the local city-district directory of all directories in community archives to mention the most things the NSDAP did to "make the city better" during 3rd Reich period, like renaming streets and squares, build new things, put buildings to purpose, change rules and laws, and all the honorable NSDAP-citizens and the National Socialist achievements of them that lived there. Read here if you want to know more.

The city-district always had much sports and community, and by 1938, all of the clubs and organisations were KdF-clubs ofcourse. The club most famous, is the soccerclub FC Kaiserslautern. You guys may like soccer, theres some vids here, also about the club and a famous player during WWII. Specificly for Kraft durch Freude, I found no infos yet anywhere for Kaiserslautern, but the pin is surely nice enough to show.

Enjoy,
KR


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#242890 - 04/09/11 05:26 AM Gau Thüringen - Arbeitsbeschaffungsstelle [Re: Krullies]
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Brilliant when little things tell bigger things. Id like to go back to a Thüringen Abzeichen a bit. Its surely intrestring all the Abzeichen already learned here. Now I wanna show a little bit more even, yes the same Abzeichen, but, with a little piece of paper on it, that gives so much more info! The little lable at the back, look at that! Doesnt lit up under UV-light in a dark room, so it looks real! It says "Arbeitsbeschaffungsstelle der Notstandsgemeinde Mangersgereuth-Hämmern (Türingen), ältester Ort deutscher Schiffschnitzerkunst", so, in English, something like "Employmentservice of the municipality in state of crisis Mangersgereuth-Hämmern in Thüringen, the place of oldest German shipscarver art traditions". About the Schiffschnitzerkunst, here is a good read in German about the toymakers and shipcarvers, little ships, so Schiffsmodelle mind you!

Just like Berlin and Frankfurt am Main, this place Mangersgereuth-Hämmern in Thüringen was a Notstandsgemeinde. This means, like translated above, that the community is in crisis, with financials at least, and maybe other things too. This ment among very many other things that, the leaders of the community, could use §33 of the Reichsfürsorgegrundsätze and so also the Arbeitsfürsorge, to restrict care for people that live, work or visit there to absolute minimum, so, only to help people in severe life-theatening situations. And also, the leaders can force inhabitants to work, if people dont have work, of if they had too little work, or, if the community thinks the person has a skill thats necesary for the comunity. Thüringen, I said already here, was the first to use forced and slavelabourers. Here is more about Pflichtarbeit. Here is interesting stuff also about public welfare and forced labour. But again in German.

So, this Thüringen Abzeichen, is realy not a Tagungsabzeichen, or Veranstaltungsabzeichen. I'm thinking, maybe, the word tinnie needs extra specification, like Hüsken already has the Mitgliedsabzeichen, or membership-pin. This seems like a membership-pin too, with a but... The badge is big and stands out, so, makes it eazy to see, and people wearing it, can be seen as Employment service workers. And I think that people thatgot put to work for the service had to wear these. I dont think, officials that work at the employment service that put people to work wore these, but also thats possible maybe. Still, membership-pins, are usualy not so screamingly noticeable. Like the little Hessen-Nassau Abzeichen, that I think is a Mitgliedsabzeichen, no date, no event on it, just KdF and in this case Gau, sometimes pins tell the Kreis. Yep I think this Thüringen pin, is a workers-badge. Just a theory I have, no pictures to actuly show this (yet?) but, so far, its a good theory.

And theres more. The little piece of paper, look at the print, the typeface, its normal-type. I think, this makes the Abzeichen, of after early 1941. Usually they printed in Fraktur typeface. This is also not always true, and for exemple this Hamburg pin uses no Fraktur either, but something normal-type that looks like runic? Still, very much prints used Fraktur, this was the German way of print then.

If we look back at the München-Oberbayern Abzeichen, this uses Sütterlin typeface, that also makes this pin very pretty-looking, Sütterlin is beautiful, just see how pretty this old school exercise book is! So, this surely dates this pin back to before september 1941! Why? Because, the Sütterlinschrift, was banned by Hitler in september 1941. And Fraktur, was banned a tad earlier, in january 1941. See a scan of the letter to decree the Fraktur-ban below;



Ironic that the letterhead self still is in Fraktur Imagine, all printings, letters, books, schoolbooks and stuff, totally anything, needed to get redone into regular type, called Antiqua what we still use? See this to see both typefaces together. Surely a big change for printing business then, no? Anyways, awesome how little things make bigger pictures. And, these big Thüringen Abzeichen, simple as they are I guess, surely look great together somehow

Enjoy,
KR


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Description: 2 badges together

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Description: 2 badges closeup

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#243128 - 04/13/11 05:17 PM Re: Gau Thüringen - Arbeitsbeschaffungsstelle [Re: Krullies]
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Interesting K, very interesting.
Nice wandertreffen badge. Strong design.

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#243160 - 04/14/11 09:42 AM Gau Franken (slider-badge) [Re: derjager]
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Hi Joe! Thanks! Yes, it does! BUT, I think maybe I was too hasty, with saying the Thüringen worker badge is from after the Fraktur-ban in 1941. I saw some wood Hitler-Jugend tinnies from 1934, and, not like the lovely birdies and my favorite Abzeichen here, they had Antiqua-typeface. So, before the ban, Antiqua was also used, and so, I can't realy defend my statement very well. Still, a lot was done in Fraktur, so, it ~~could~~ be. Reckon I started to see what I learned everywhere *LOL* The Betreuerinnenabzeichen, yes, surely is from before the Sütterlin-ban.

Gau Franken, already told about here, and another here. This is another Franken Abzeichen. Not a pin but a slider? It slips over a pocket or a collar maybe? Not a tie, it'd be sideways or upsidedown, no? A very little pin! Again no date or event. Reckon another Mitgliedsabzeichen. The background, not anything Franken, but the Kraft durch Freude published booklet "Freude durch Laienschaffen" with graphics by Franz Kolbrand. Awesome little book, about creativity and creating things, and how this is good for health and wellbeing, also for wounded people, but havent read it all and probably will tell more in another post someday.

Enjoy,
KR


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#243301 - 04/17/11 11:54 AM Re: Gau Franken (slider-badge) [Re: Krullies]
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K, I have observed a few small day/rally badges made with the pocket or (lapel?) clip like yours.
Usually when made like that the clip is smaller and a small hole was drilled for a straight pin, as I'm sure you have seen examples of.

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#243329 - 04/17/11 04:06 PM Re: Gau Franken (slider-badge) [Re: derjager]
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Thanks Joe! Any of your such pins in here somewhere? Because I dont understand what you mean? A hole in the clip? Or .. problaby I'm missing something way obvious, sorry ...
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#243362 - 04/17/11 09:42 PM Re: Gau Franken (slider-badge) [Re: Krullies]
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Hi K, make that read two holes in the clip/tab. My memory failed me. frown
One reverse image, one side image.

While scouting for examples I saw four different tinnies with tabs like yours and only two like my tab.

--dj--Joe smile


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#243426 - 04/19/11 02:59 AM Re: Gau Franken (slider-badge) [Re: derjager]
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Hi Joe! No I never saw these clips with holes+pin yet? Thanks for showing!! Nice Ein Führer Ein Volk Ein Reich badge btw
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#245101 - 05/18/11 01:39 PM Salamander [Re: Krullies]
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Loc: Netherlands
Originally Posted By: WWII
..What do you make of this one, KdF related? Possibly a trip down south to the Mediterranean? ... lots of lizards down there ... grin..



Originally Posted By: WWII
...I remember running around in Salamander shoes as a young boy and that they were/are (?) a famous shoemaking company. It's ..


Old period newspapers are fun! Look here what I found? Der gute Schuh beim Wintersport, the right shoe for wintersport, right there full page in a 1936 Illustrierte, a Salamander advertizing, surely a lovely illustration too. Just grabbing back in this topics time, couldn't keep this from here.

G'Bye,
KR


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#245114 - 05/18/11 04:30 PM Re: Salamander [Re: Krullies]
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Karin,

Very nice, it takes me back a ways ... wink grin

Thanks!

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#245119 - 05/18/11 05:17 PM Re: Salamander [Re: WWII]
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Loc: Just this side of, whats next.
K, good detective work.

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#245177 - 05/19/11 04:15 PM Re: Salamander [Re: derjager]
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just posted a BSW Model W625Z on auction arms....may want to have a look. it's a nice gun. AA# 10347136

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#250384 - 08/15/11 11:44 AM KdF 4mm Rifle [Re: Denny Gaither]
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Registered: 12/02/01
Posts: 1828
Loc: Michiana
Hello Karen,
On page 8 of your nice thread, I had posted some pictures of my KdF Training Rifle.
http://forum.germandaggers.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=222981&page=8
I thought you might like to see this neat accessory I recently acquired. Now my rifle has a warm place in which to snuggle!


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#250389 - 08/15/11 04:12 PM Re: KdF 4mm Rifle [Re: Denny Gaither]
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Loc: New Jersey
Denny - Great addition - glad I could help.

Horst
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#250397 - 08/15/11 06:31 PM Re: KdF 4mm Rifle [Re: goldfasan]
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Registered: 12/02/01
Posts: 1828
Loc: Michiana
Originally Posted By: goldfasan
Denny - Great addition - glad I could help.

Horst


OK Horst, now I know who you are! Horst was my source for this neat piece.
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#250417 - 08/16/11 03:35 AM Re: KdF 4mm Rifle [Re: Denny Gaither]
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Denny,

Congrats on putting this exceptional pair together, quite outstanding!

Bill

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#250593 - 08/19/11 12:48 PM Re: KdF 4mm Rifle [Re: WWII]
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A nice addition indeed. Many thanks for showing it.

I wonder how the period ammo cartons were marked?

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