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I have recently aquired this piece and after looking at some of the previous postings i have doubts to its authenticity, please could you advise me, many thanks
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The chain has 42 links and the gorget measures three inches by six and a half inches. It apears that on some of the letters ie N the casting appears to have a perforation all the way through it.
I hope the photos were of help and posted correctly
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Is it magnetic? If so it's probably ok. The repros I've seen of this gorget have not been made of steel. It looks to me like the paint on the eagle and lettering have perhaps been redone though.
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The gorget and chain are magnetic, however the eagle and feldgendarmerie is not. I have seen Repo steel ones for sale too. Although the gorget is made of steel it is quite light

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Hi

nice pics bruce there must be someone who can tell u if this is a fake or not because it has no decal i cant help mate.


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I believe this one is a repro, the give away on this one straight away without even looking at the back is the wording. I dont like.

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If it is a reproduction it would sure fool me.It seems to be very well made,tabs on the reverse,cloth backing,the chain,glow in the dark paint on the letters,stamped maker mark.You can also see where the paint has worn off the reverse tab that the chain hooks to.The paint is solid on the other one .I think it is original.(:}X


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Interesting that yours is only partially magnetic. I just checked my example and it is magnetic throughout. Mine is also unmarked in any way. I agree however that if this is a repro it is a well made one.
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Bruce,

I am by no means a Gorget expert but I do not like the eagle or the scroll on your Gorget. I do know the Assmann Gorgets have been faked to include the paper wrappers.

I do think the Gorget is a well made reproduction but the raised letters on the scroll and the eagle seem to give it away. Sorry for the bad news.

George


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Here's some pictures of mine FRONT: Yes there is some paint loss:

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Eagle closeup: N.B: These eagles are butt ugly under the best of circumstances: Big Grin

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Back: Note mine is backed with a cardboard like material:

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Jim m nice one, you can see imidiately the differences, I will point them out for you, the colour of the paint, on the fake is too yellow and shines, the detail on the eagle is just not there on the fake, again the wording is completly off, and to finish off the pin on the back is wrong.

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In Richard Deeters book GORGETS of the THIRD REICH page 101 Two types of backing have been noted The first and most common pressed fiber board 2 Field green wool cloth glued in place.The letters seem to have an enamel coating that has held up better over time than the painted type as shown.I think you have a uncommon, maker marked gorget of a higher quality than the one it is being compared to in this thread.


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Zorro pressed paper and cloth are readily available,

Oh the old explanation, of cause I would never of guessed "an uncommon maker" good one that one. In fact it is so much an uncommon maker that no one has ever seen an enameled one, and just look at how fantastic the enameling is, it dont run over anywhere, I can just see the RZM saying "what a wonderful job you have done there" just look matches all those enameled medals that all run as well. Well done

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I said an uncommon,maker marked gorget.Correct me if I am wrong but I think Assmann made one or two gorgets.The RZM might have some questions about the growth on the eagles neck also on the cheap looking one(You get to pick which one that is)I make up my own mind and do not care how many have or have not been seen.

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That "growth" on the eagle neck is a speck of missing paint no more or less. This is a textbook examle of this gorget I posted for informational purposes and to allow others to compare with the other one that has obvious problems.
This is the primary reason many have quit posting here and have given up on trying to provide any sort of education. I suspect I will be joining that long list of non-posters.
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Zorro thats a nice feldgend gorget picture you show in the Assmann catelogue

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Gary, Assmann never made a FELDGEND gorget that is why it is not shown.If you want to see an ASSMANN FELDGENDARMERIE gorget just Google it.Let me know what you find.By the way Robin Lumsden says something about A (ASSMANN) marked gorgets in his book THIRD REICH MILITARIA so at least someone has seen at least one and he writes of original enameled ones in his book DETECTING the FAKES.Even with all this information backing me up it may still be a fake.Keep in touch (:}X


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Bruce ,Why is it in picture #5 the A on the center tab is verticle with no semi-circles but in picture 12 it is horizontal with semi cicles (A)It must be I have been on this thread way too long.


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Zorro, EXACTLY assmann never made a feldgend gorget, but Lumsden shows one in his detecting fakes.

Does that mean Assmann gorgets are fake?? and Lumsden says they are fake??

Do you think Lumsden is wrong and it is real?

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There ARE original Assmann FG gorgets!! NEVER say NEVER in this hobby. Books have many mistakes and no one is perfect. It's not that simple.


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I know of at least 4 makers of Feldgendarmerie gorgets to include Assmann....the first pictured gorget it indeed a copy. Study the details. You see these all over at shows on a lot of tables being sold as real.

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Hello Houston

Sorry for the above I know Assmann made gorgets, I was just trying one.

John It seem pretty obvious to me and the rest of the forum that the pictured gorget is fake except Zorro, makes me wounder if he sold it to Bruce.

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If I had a common gorget of that quality I would not have sold it.The details like the multiple compound curves on the center tab,the wear at the top of the tab from the uniform .The chain holder tab with just the right of wear from the chain.Perhaps the semi rolled edges.The fact that it is made of steel or the the bent over tabs under the cloth that hold the boss The much more difficult enamel to apply to the letters than paint.Yes it is all in the details.I really do not have any reason to think that it may be an original gorget .It is just my gut feeling.I decree that from now on all opinions on TR items will be based on the most popular opinion.Last Tag.


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Well this difference of opinion shouldn't be that difficult to resolve. Snail mail the above pictures to Joe Pankowski, who doesn't use computers, and ask him.
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Thanks to you all for your observations and opinions,i must agree that this looks to be a fake and i will be returning it to sender.
Thanks again
Bruce


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