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This will be a log of Gau marks & Makers used to establish rarity. Post your SA Maker and Gau mark below and I will transfer reults to this page.
Dave
Aesculap, Tuttlingen ………………………. Sw; Sw; Sw; Wm; Sw; Sw;Sw;
AMSO - See Mebus, Albert ………………
Asso (Schuttelhoffer)………………………. Ns; Ns;Sa;No;
Axt und Hauerfabrik ………………………..Sa; Nrh; Wf; No;Sa;Wf;Nrh;
Backhaus, F W ……………………………..Ns
Bahrl, Julius
Balke & Sohne, Rich ………………………. Wf;Wf;Wf;
Barthelmess, Fritz …………………………. Fr;Fr;Fr;
Becker, Eduard ………………………………He;
Becker Gebr ……………… ….……………. No; Wf; No;Ns
Bell, gebr ……………………………………. He; Bo
Bender, Carl ………………………………… Ha
Berns, Gebr ………………………………….Ho+A37
Berns, Hugo
Bertram, C. Reinh. Sohn
Bickel, August …………….………………. He; Bo; Mi;Mi;Mi;Fr
Bismark
Bocker, Karl ………………………………... P;
Bodenstein, Julius
Bohme Gebr ……………………………….. Sa;Th;
Bonsmann, E ………………………………. P;
Bontgen & Sabin ………………………….. No;
Born Gebr ………………………………….. Wf;
Brosy F. Von ………………………………. Ho;OST; Ha;
Bruckman, Ernst ………………………….. Ho; Wm; Ho;
Buchel, Rudolf ……………………………… Ns
Bulldog ……………………………………... Nrh; Ho; Ho;
Busch, Ernst
Christians, Gebr ……………………… Nrh; Nrh; Nrh;Nrh;Nrh
Chromolit ……………………………………. S; NmS;
Cleff, Ewald
Clemen & jung
Curdts Natchf ……………………………….. Ho
Dick, F ………………………………………. Sw;Sw;Wm;Wm;Sw;He;Wm;Sw;Sw;Sw;Sw;Wm;
Dirlam, Ernst
Dirlam & Sohn, J.
Dittert, JE Sa;
Dorschel Albert …………………………….. Wm;
Drees & sohn, Rich …………………………S
Ebel, Paul …………………………………… Wf;Wf;
Eickelnberg & Mack
Eickhorn, Carl ……………………………... Ns;No;No;Wf;Wf;He;Wf;Ha;He;Ns;
No;Nrh;S;Fr;Wf;Bo;Ha;Fr;Wf;Wf;Nm;Fr;Wf;Wf;Ha;Wf;Wf;S;
Eppenstein & Sohne, Carl …………………Nm;NmWm;
Felix, Gustav ……………………………….. Wm;Wm
Geigis, Friedrich Ns;
Grembruch, Ed
Gierling, Emil ……………………………….. Wf;Wf;O;
Giersch, Rob …………………………………Wm
Geisen & Forsthoff …………………………. Ns;S;
Grafrath, Gebr
Grah, Carl
Grah, Ernst
Grah, Reinhold ………………………………Wf;Om;
Groten, Ludwig ……………………………… Wf;Ns;
Haas, Carl
Haastert & Bull …………………………….. B; He;
HACO, Berlin ………………………………. B;B;B;B;B;B;
Haenel, C.G., Suhl …………. Sa; Th; Sa;Sa;Sa;Sa;Mi;Sa;Sa;Da;
Haering, Eugen …………………………….. Wf;Wf;
Hahn, Hermann …………………………… Om;S;
Haker, Gustave …………………………….. H
Halbach, Wilhelm
Halbach, Carl
Hammesfahr & Cie ………………………...OST;No;P;He;S;
Hartkopf & Co…………………………………Nm
Hartkopf, Rich
Heidelberg, Carl ……………………………. P; Wf;
Helbig, F&A
Heller, Gebr, Schmalkalden ………………. Sa;Bo;Mi;Sa;Bo;Mi;
Heller, Gebr, Marienthal…………………….Th;Th;Th;
Henkels, J.A. ………………………………. OST; Wf; W;Nrh;Bo;Wf;OST;BO;
Henckels, Paul
Henckel & Muller+A202
Herbeck & Meyer ……………… ………….No;Nrh
Herbertz & Meurer …………………………. He;
Herder, H ……………………………………. He
Herder, F ……………………………………. Nrh; Wf; Wf; Wm;Wf;Nrh;Ost;Nrh;Ns
Herder & Engels
Herder, Rich. Abr ………………………….. Wm
Herder, Robert ………………………………..Nrh;Wm
Herder & Sohn ………………………………Ns;
Holler, F.W …………………………………. Wm;Wm:Wm;
Hoppe, Curt …………………………………. Ha;
Hoppe Sohne, Gottfr………………………...Nm;
Hoppe, Wilhelm ……………………………..Wf
Horster, E&F ………………………………...Nrh
Jacobs, C. Rud.
Jacobs & Co …………………………………He;
Johanneswerk
Justinuswerk ………………………………... He; Bo;Bo;He;He;
Jordan, F.W ………………………………... He;
Kaiser. Emil ………………………………… Nm;Om;
Kaldenbach, Karl Robert ……………………P;
Kaufmann & Sohne ………………………... Ns; Nrh; Nrh
Kayser, C.F. ……………………………….. No
Kemper, Ernst ……………………………. No;Nrh;
Kirschbaum, F.A.
Klittermann & Moog………………………….Nrh;
Kloos, Carl
Knecht, A. No;
Knecht & Co, E. …………………………….Nm;
Kober & Co, Wm ……………………………Th; Th;Th; He;Th;Th;Th;Th;Sa;Th;Wf;Ns;
Kohl Paul ……………………………………. Nrh
Kohlen, Fr.V.D.
Koller, G.L. ………………………………….. P
Koller, Hugo ………………………………... Nh; He
Konejung, Herm ……………………………He;
Krebs, Carl Julius
Krebs, Pet Dan …………………………….. Nrh; Ho;Nrh
Krieger, Wilhelm …………………………… Wf
Krom, HCH, Munich ……………………….Ho;
Krumm, Gebr ………………………………..Om
Krusius, Gebr ………………………………. B;Nrh
Kuhrt, Karl Fr. ………………………………. No;
Kullenberg, Aug.
Lauterjung, H&F ……………………………..Wm;
Leupold, Johann ……………………………. Fr; Fr;Fr
Leuco or Levco ……………………………… Fr
Linder, Carl
Linder, Carl & Robert ……………………….Ns
Linder, Herm. Sohn
Linder & Sohn, Hugo C.W………………….Wf
Linder, Otto ………………………………….P;
Linder, Hugo ………………………………… Wm;Wm
Louper ………………………………………. S; No
Luneschloss, P.D. …………………………..P; S;
Lungstrass, Peter
Lutters & Co, C. …………………………….Ns;
Malsch, Aug ………………………………….Th;
Malsch, David ………………………………..He;
Malsch, Karl
Malsch & Ambrom …………………………. Sa; Sa;Sa;Sa;Sa Sa;Sa;Sa;Sa;Th;Mi;Sa;
Malsch - Spitzer, Karl ……………………… Mi;Mi;Mi;
May & vom Hau ……………………………..Ho;Fr;
Mebus, Albert (Amso) Ho;
Meis, Carl August Wm;
Melcher, Artur
Melzer & Feller ………………………………Fr
Merten, August ……………………………. S; Ho,
Muller, Gottfried …………………………….. Fr;
Munch, Joseph …………………………….. Fr;Fr;Bo;
Neeff, C. Gustav
Neidhardt & Schmidt BO
Neptun ………………………………………..No;
Neuhaus, Ferd ……………………………... He;No;
Ohlinger, Julius …………………………….. Nrh
Ohlinger, F. Ed. …………………………….. Wm; Nm;Wm;Nm;Wm;
Pack & Sohne, E. ………………………….. Nh; Ns; B; Th; Nm;Nm; No;Nrh;Nrh; He; Nm; Ns;He;Nrh;WmNo;Nm;Sw;No;B;Nm;Th;Wf;Nrh;Nrh;No;;Nm;Nm;Nm;
Peres, Daniel ………………………………. Wm;Wm; No;Fr;
Perfectum …………………………………… No;Ho;
Pfeilring - Muller & Schmidt ……………….. Om;Om;S;S;
Plucker Jr, Friedr. ……………………………No;
Plumacher & Sohn
Puma ……………………………………….. No; No; No Nrh;Nm;Wm;Wm;Wm;
Rader, Hugo ………………………………… No
Rasspe, Ernst Hugo
Rau & Koch …………………………………. Sw
Reich, Ehrhardt ............Mi;
Remscheid, Cuno …………………………. No;Nrh;Nrh;
Reuleaux, J. ………………………………….Wf;
Ritter, Kuno …………………………………. Wf;
Romer Ernst
Romuso
Rottgen, Ernst
Rother, August ………………………………Nrh
Sauer & Sohn, JP ………………………… Bo;Mi;Fr;Fr;Fr;BO;Fr;Mi;
Schaaff, CD
Scheidt, Eugen ……………………………... P;No
Schlieper, C. Ns;He;Wf;P;
Schlimbach, Jos …………………………... No; He
Schmidt, Rudolf
Schmidt Sohn, Carl AG …………………… Wf; Ns;S;S;Nrh;
Schmidt & Sohne, J A
Schmidt & Sohne, J.
Schmitz, Friedr. Aug ……………………… Om; Ns;Om;Om;
Schneider, Hermann ………………………. Ns;
Schnittert, Abr ……………………………... Wf
Schrick, Sohn, E……………………………..P
Schuttelhofer, A & Co……………………….Ns;
Seilheimer, Paul ……………………………. Ns;Ns
Servatius, Hugo …………………………….. S
Simon, Otto Steinbach
SMF ………………..……………………….. Ho; Ns;Ho;Om;Ns;Ho
Spalteneder …………………………………. Ho
Spitzer, C. Gustav …………………………. Ns;Wf;No;
Steinhoff, Franz ……………………………. Ns; Ns;Ost
Stover, Otto
Sudd Messerfrabrik ………………………… Fr;Fr;Fr;
Tiger …………………………………………. He; Nrh;Nrh;None
Tiegel, Karl
Tillmann Sohne, Carl ………………………..P; Ns
Torley, Gebruder …………………………… Ns
Undine ………………………………………. O;Wm;Ho
Vitting, Eduard ……………………………… Wf
Volker, Adolf …………………………….….. Sa;Sa;
Voos, Emil ………………………………….. Ns;Nm
Voss, Gustav ………………………………. S;S;Ns
Waffenhammer Degendorf ……………..... Ha;BO;BO;
WKC ………………………………………... S;
Wagner & Lange …………………………... He; P;
Wagner, Wilhelm ………………………….. P;
Weltersbach, Wilh. …………………………. Wm; Ho;No;
Werth, A.
Wester & Butz ……………………………… Om;No;No;Om;
Weyersberg Soehne, Gottfried ……………..Wm
Weyerberg, Gustav Nachf …………………Wf;Wf;
Weyersberg, Max …………………………..P;Ho;No;
Weyersberg & Co, Paul……………………..No;No;SA
Weyersberg, Reinh …………………………Wm
Wielputz, Thomas
Wingen, Jr, Anton ………………………….. Wm; No; No;No;Wm;No;Wm;
Wirth, Gustav ……………………………….. Nm
Witte, Ernst Erich
Wolf, Joseph ……………………………….. Ho; Ho;
Wolfertz, Is
Wustof, Carl ………………………………….Nrh; Nm;Nm;
Wusthof, Ed ………………………………... He; He; He;Nm;Nrh;
Zander, Carl ………………………………… Ns;Ns;
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Hello, today i want show you a very rarity Gau Stamp SA for Sachsen on a crossguard from a Haenel SA Dagger from my collection. I never see befor a Stamp with a big "A". I meet Mr. Thomas Johnson in Stuttgart at the IWB Show 2007, and show him the Dagger. And he sayed the same, its a very rarity Gau stamp on a nice Dagger. Gruß Ralf ( Mikatim) www.dienstdolch.de
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Updated ! Thanks everyone.
Carl Haas ??
Also, I think that SA in the above photo may not be a gau mark.
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Hello Dave, had one to with the "SA" markings
i thought this was a gau mark.
I know John Merling have several with these markings.
Why do you think it´s not gau marks?
Best, Hakan
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That one looked as if it was larger than most. Maybe not. please some more "Sa" gau stamps. So we can see.
Dave
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Dave, on the Haenels, I've seen that variant larger SA Gau mark on quite a few. Just on Haenels though.
John
John Merling vintagetime@yahoo.com
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Dave it´s the same size on the gau mark as on John´s fantastic Haenel !
Looks a little bigger in that closeup and angle on my photo though!
Hakan
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for your list, i have a Lauterjung marked 'HO' and a Munsch marked 'HE'.
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As I am new to this ,ref the doubt about the Sa mark being a Gau mark,as it is shown on the attached diagram what makes it suspect please?
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map doesnt want to upload, sorry
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Usually the Sa mark has a small letter a instead of a capital letter A. The far left one is SA, the one next to it is Sa.
Here's a picture, I'll have to get a close up at home.
John
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many thanks, more knowledge to put into the old brain !!
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need to keep this data in view guys.
Could somebody post again one of those handy bar charts with the rarety displays top down??
Thanks,
PJ
Kind regards,
Peter Jan
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I have this one if this is any good to you. Best wishes Ian www.simplydaggers.co.uk
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You can add 'W' to the Pack listing
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Here's a Romuso, marked Ho.
Regards
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ivbaust .....WOW...a Bismarck (10/10) with, or without, a Gau Mark is a Rare one!
Congratulations! Dave/dblmed
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An E&F Horster with a "Ha" Gau stamp. 
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Beautiful big Horster Maker mark...Love it Serge!
John
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Thanks John! Here's one more.
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Bontgen & Sabin with "Wf" Gau. 
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Kaufmann & Sohne, with a "Wm" Gau. 
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Got Lugers?
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I have a Carl Grah with the Gau mark of Nm
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Bismarck - Ns. 
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Here is my Haenel "Sa"
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and here is its frosted MM
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I noticed that there is a C. Linder listed with out a Gau. Here is my C. Linder Solingen Merscheid with an Ns Gau.
I tried to upload but got a "disk Quota exceeded" message. To make matters worse when I hit the "go back" button, all my previously typed text was gone. That always happens!
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JP Sauer & Sohn, - Sa
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Posting for a fellow collector with his permission an Ernst Rottgen Nm.
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Any idea for the premium this adds to the dagger price for the rarity?
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I hope others respond to this question.
To me, the major factors in the value of an SA dagger are the maker's mark and the condition. The gau marks is secondary, but that is me. If the MM and condition were what I was looking for, then a rare gau mark would would add a bit to my offer.
As I said, other collectors see things from different angles and I hope they speak up.
Dave
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Thanks for the response Dave, have you seen this makers mark before and how rare is it?
Richard
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Ernst Rottgen is very hard to find and yours is in great condition.
Dave
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Carl wusthof..... S ,EPandS.....S quote: Originally posted by Dave Hohaus:
This will be a log of Gau marks & Makers used to establish rarity. Post your SA Maker and Gau mark below and I will transfer reults to this page.
Dave
Aesculap, Tuttlingen ………………………. Sw; Sw; Sw; Wm; Sw; Sw;Sw;
AMSO - See Mebus, Albert ………………
Asso (Schuttelhoffer)………………………. Ns; Ns;Sa;No;
Axt und Hauerfabrik ………………………..Sa; Nrh; Wf; No;Sa;Wf;Nrh;
Backhaus, F W ……………………………..Ns
Bahrl, Julius
Balke & Sohne, Rich ………………………. Wf;Wf;Wf;
Barthelmess, Fritz …………………………. Fr;Fr;Fr;
Becker, Eduard ………………………………He;
Becker Gebr ……………… ….……………. No; Wf; No;Ns
Bell, gebr ……………………………………. He; Bo
Bender, Carl ………………………………… Ha
Berns, Gebr ………………………………….Ho+A37
Berns, Hugo
Bertram, C. Reinh. Sohn
Bickel, August …………….………………. He; Bo; Mi;Mi;Mi;Fr
Bismark
Bocker, Karl ………………………………... P;
Bodenstein, Julius
Bohme Gebr ……………………………….. Sa;Th;
Bonsmann, E ………………………………. P;
Bontgen & Sabin ………………………….. No;
Born Gebr ………………………………….. Wf;
Brosy F. Von ………………………………. Ho;OST; Ha;
Bruckman, Ernst ………………………….. Ho; Wm; Ho;
Buchel, Rudolf ……………………………… Ns
Bulldog ……………………………………... Nrh; Ho; Ho;
Busch, Ernst
Christians, Gebr ……………………… Nrh; Nrh; Nrh;Nrh;Nrh
Chromolit ……………………………………. S; NmS;
Cleff, Ewald
Clemen & jung
Curdts Natchf ……………………………….. Ho
Dick, F ………………………………………. Sw;Sw;Wm;Wm;Sw;He;Wm;Sw;Sw;Sw;Sw;Wm;
Dirlam, Ernst
Dirlam & Sohn, J.
Dittert, JE Sa;
Dorschel Albert …………………………….. Wm;
Drees & sohn, Rich …………………………S
Ebel, Paul …………………………………… Wf;Wf;
Eickelnberg & Mack
Eickhorn, Carl ……………………………... Ns;No;No;Wf;Wf;He;Wf;Ha;He;Ns;
No;Nrh;S;Fr;Wf;Bo;Ha;Fr;Wf;Wf;Nm;Fr;Wf;Wf;Ha;Wf;Wf;S;
Eppenstein & Sohne, Carl …………………Nm;NmWm;
Felix, Gustav ……………………………….. Wm;Wm
Geigis, Friedrich Ns;
Grembruch, Ed
Gierling, Emil ……………………………….. Wf;Wf;O;
Giersch, Rob …………………………………Wm
Geisen & Forsthoff …………………………. Ns;S;
Grafrath, Gebr
Grah, Carl
Grah, Ernst
Grah, Reinhold ………………………………Wf;Om;
Groten, Ludwig ……………………………… Wf;Ns;
Haas, Carl
Haastert & Bull …………………………….. B; He;
HACO, Berlin ………………………………. B;B;B;B;B;B;
Haenel, C.G., Suhl …………. Sa; Th; Sa;Sa;Sa;Sa;Mi;Sa;Sa;Da;
Haering, Eugen …………………………….. Wf;Wf;
Hahn, Hermann …………………………… Om;S;
Haker, Gustave …………………………….. H
Halbach, Wilhelm
Halbach, Carl
Hammesfahr & Cie ………………………...OST;No;P;He;S;
Hartkopf & Co…………………………………Nm
Hartkopf, Rich
Heidelberg, Carl ……………………………. P; Wf;
Helbig, F&A
Heller, Gebr, Schmalkalden ………………. Sa;Bo;Mi;Sa;Bo;Mi;
Heller, Gebr, Marienthal…………………….Th;Th;Th;
Henkels, J.A. ………………………………. OST; Wf; W;Nrh;Bo;Wf;OST;BO;
Henckels, Paul
Henckel & Muller+A202
Herbeck & Meyer ……………… ………….No;Nrh
Herbertz & Meurer …………………………. He;
Herder, H ……………………………………. He
Herder, F ……………………………………. Nrh; Wf; Wf; Wm;Wf;Nrh;Ost;Nrh;Ns
Herder & Engels
Herder, Rich. Abr ………………………….. Wm
Herder, Robert ………………………………..Nrh;Wm
Herder & Sohn ………………………………Ns;
Holler, F.W …………………………………. Wm;Wm:Wm;
Hoppe, Curt …………………………………. Ha;
Hoppe Sohne, Gottfr………………………...Nm;
Hoppe, Wilhelm ……………………………..Wf
Horster, E&F ………………………………...Nrh
Jacobs, C. Rud.
Jacobs & Co …………………………………He;
Johanneswerk
Justinuswerk ………………………………... He; Bo;Bo;He;He;
Jordan, F.W ………………………………... He;
Kaiser. Emil ………………………………… Nm;Om;
Kaldenbach, Karl Robert ……………………P;
Kaufmann & Sohne ………………………... Ns; Nrh; Nrh
Kayser, C.F. ……………………………….. No
Kemper, Ernst ……………………………. No;Nrh;
Kirschbaum, F.A.
Klittermann & Moog………………………….Nrh;
Kloos, Carl
Knecht, A. No;
Knecht & Co, E. …………………………….Nm;
Kober & Co, Wm ……………………………Th; Th;Th; He;Th;Th;Th;Th;Sa;Th;Wf;Ns;
Kohl Paul ……………………………………. Nrh
Kohlen, Fr.V.D.
Koller, G.L. ………………………………….. P
Koller, Hugo ………………………………... Nh; He
Konejung, Herm ……………………………He;
Krebs, Carl Julius
Krebs, Pet Dan …………………………….. Nrh; Ho;Nrh
Krieger, Wilhelm …………………………… Wf
Krom, HCH, Munich ……………………….Ho;
Krumm, Gebr ………………………………..Om
Krusius, Gebr ………………………………. B;Nrh
Kuhrt, Karl Fr. ………………………………. No;
Kullenberg, Aug.
Lauterjung, H&F ……………………………..Wm;
Leupold, Johann ……………………………. Fr; Fr;Fr
Leuco or Levco ……………………………… Fr
Linder, Carl
Linder, Carl & Robert ……………………….Ns
Linder, Herm. Sohn
Linder & Sohn, Hugo C.W………………….Wf
Linder, Otto ………………………………….P;
Linder, Hugo ………………………………… Wm;Wm
Louper ………………………………………. S; No
Luneschloss, P.D. …………………………..P; S;
Lungstrass, Peter
Lutters & Co, C. …………………………….Ns;
Malsch, Aug ………………………………….Th;
Malsch, David ………………………………..He;
Malsch, Karl
Malsch & Ambrom …………………………. Sa; Sa;Sa;Sa;Sa Sa;Sa;Sa;Sa;Th;Mi;Sa;
Malsch - Spitzer, Karl ……………………… Mi;Mi;Mi;
May & vom Hau ……………………………..Ho;Fr;
Mebus, Albert (Amso) Ho;
Meis, Carl August Wm;
Melcher, Artur
Melzer & Feller ………………………………Fr
Merten, August ……………………………. S; Ho,
Muller, Gottfried …………………………….. Fr;
Munch, Joseph …………………………….. Fr;Fr;Bo;
Neeff, C. Gustav
Neidhardt & Schmidt BO
Neptun ………………………………………..No;
Neuhaus, Ferd ……………………………... He;No;
Ohlinger, Julius …………………………….. Nrh
Ohlinger, F. Ed. …………………………….. Wm; Nm;Wm;Nm;Wm;
Pack & Sohne, E. ………………………….. Nh; Ns; B; Th; Nm;Nm; No;Nrh;Nrh; He; Nm; Ns;He;Nrh;WmNo;Nm;Sw;No;B;Nm;Th;Wf;Nrh;Nrh;No;;Nm;Nm;Nm;
Peres, Daniel ………………………………. Wm;Wm; No;Fr;
Perfectum …………………………………… No;Ho;
Pfeilring - Muller & Schmidt ……………….. Om;Om;S;S;
Plucker Jr, Friedr. ……………………………No;
Plumacher & Sohn
Puma ……………………………………….. No; No; No Nrh;Nm;Wm;Wm;Wm;
Rader, Hugo ………………………………… No
Rasspe, Ernst Hugo
Rau & Koch …………………………………. Sw
Reich, Ehrhardt ............Mi;
Remscheid, Cuno …………………………. No;Nrh;Nrh;
Reuleaux, J. ………………………………….Wf;
Ritter, Kuno …………………………………. Wf;
Romer Ernst
Romuso
Rottgen, Ernst
Rother, August ………………………………Nrh
Sauer & Sohn, JP ………………………… Bo;Mi;Fr;Fr;Fr;BO;Fr;Mi;
Schaaff, CD
Scheidt, Eugen ……………………………... P;No
Schlieper, C. Ns;He;Wf;P;
Schlimbach, Jos …………………………... No; He
Schmidt, Rudolf
Schmidt Sohn, Carl AG …………………… Wf; Ns;S;S;Nrh;
Schmidt & Sohne, J A
Schmidt & Sohne, J.
Schmitz, Friedr. Aug ……………………… Om; Ns;Om;Om;
Schneider, Hermann ………………………. Ns;
Schnittert, Abr ……………………………... Wf
Schrick, Sohn, E……………………………..P
Schuttelhofer, A & Co……………………….Ns;
Seilheimer, Paul ……………………………. Ns;Ns
Servatius, Hugo …………………………….. S
Simon, Otto Steinbach
SMF ………………..……………………….. Ho; Ns;Ho;Om;Ns;Ho
Spalteneder …………………………………. Ho
Spitzer, C. Gustav …………………………. Ns;Wf;No;
Steinhoff, Franz ……………………………. Ns; Ns;Ost
Stover, Otto
Sudd Messerfrabrik ………………………… Fr;Fr;Fr;
Tiger …………………………………………. He; Nrh;Nrh;None
Tiegel, Karl
Tillmann Sohne, Carl ………………………..P; Ns
Torley, Gebruder …………………………… Ns
Undine ………………………………………. O;Wm;Ho
Vitting, Eduard ……………………………… Wf
Volker, Adolf …………………………….….. Sa;Sa;
Voos, Emil ………………………………….. Ns;Nm
Voss, Gustav ………………………………. S;S;Ns
Waffenhammer Degendorf ……………..... Ha;BO;BO;
WKC ………………………………………... S;
Wagner & Lange …………………………... He; P;
Wagner, Wilhelm ………………………….. P;
Weltersbach, Wilh. …………………………. Wm; Ho;No;
Werth, A.
Wester & Butz ……………………………… Om;No;No;Om;
Weyersberg Soehne, Gottfried ……………..Wm
Weyerberg, Gustav Nachf …………………Wf;Wf;
Weyersberg, Max …………………………..P;Ho;No;
Weyersberg & Co, Paul……………………..No;No;SA
Weyersberg, Reinh …………………………Wm
Wielputz, Thomas
Wingen, Jr, Anton ………………………….. Wm; No; No;No;Wm;No;Wm;
Wirth, Gustav ……………………………….. Nm
Witte, Ernst Erich
Wolf, Joseph ……………………………….. Ho; Ho;
Wolfertz, Is
Wustof, Carl ………………………………….Nrh; Nm;Nm;
Wusthof, Ed ………………………………... He; He; He;Nm;Nrh;
Zander, Carl ………………………………… Ns;Ns;
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Ed Grembruch is HO and I am going to put one up forsale in the ad section that I am showing in this thread.
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Ns on the Guard
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I have a JA Henckels marked OST. I'm told that there are not many Gau marked OST which the above list confirms due to most fell into Russian hands.
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I just received an SA dagger from my grandfather , who brought it home from WWII. It has been in a box in storage for 50 years.
It is an August Bickel with Mi hilt mark.
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jo78, what nice minty blades you got there.  Been collecting awhile? -serge-
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Ther is a little mistake in the list it is "Waffenhammer Deggendorf" not Waffenhammer Degendorf. It is Deggendorf with 2 G
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Here is my Gustav, Wirth Gau marked..P.
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F Herder P and Carl Eickhorn BO neither on list above
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Just picked up a Wagner & Lange with Ns
Don't see this on the list.
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I have a Otto Simon Sa Dagger with a Fr Gau mark please add it to the list of Gau marks. You will see this dagger in Tom Wittmans up coming SA reference. Best regards
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I will also do my best to photograph this dagger and post it on this forum site.
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Wusthof, Ed - W
Also have a Spitzer Wf
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Also one with no gau mark, or makers mark, didn't notice until now that category was included.
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Hi Dave,
Ernst Hugo Rasspe Wf
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2x times Curdts Natchf with Nrh
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Dave, Are you looking for photographic proof, for the Gau marks or is it Ok, to write in what we have,,,or seen. Best Larry
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Dave, a few more;
Clemen & Jung - Ho Weyersberg, Gust - Ns Mebus - Nm Pack - Wa and Nm
Wusthof, Ed - H Jacobs, C.Rud - No Krieger,W - Wf Undine - Nm Eppenstein,C - Wm
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i have an adolf volker schmalkalden with Mi.
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Hi I have a SA Marine Eugen Scheidt nrh.
Will photo tomorrow.
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Just picked up this nice early Wolfertz. Before I sell it I wanted to get the Gruppe mark noted for your list. It appears to be a "P" (Pommern), but the stem is struck so weakly it's almost indiscernable.
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Here is my Carl & Robert Linder Marked..Wm
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Early Eick, Wf,,,  
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Gebr.Becker with a Gruppe mark Om
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Here is my Cuno Remscheid & Co. (REMEVE) SA Dagger, Gau Mark WF 
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August Bickel Steinbach - Fr
Carl Eickhorn - Ha
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Hermann Konejung and Ernst H Rasspe both with B for Berlin
F Herder with P
Eickhorn ground Rohm with Ns
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Hey Dave any chance of you updating the Gau mark rarity list? many members have added more Group marks since the list was first created. Larry
Oh BTW SKYLINE THAT IS A SCREAMING EXAMPLE OF A Bismark maker. Nice
Also for all future postings I think it would be beneficial to post a photo of the maker and Group mark together.
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August Kullenberg Nrh
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Good evening,
My SA dagger by Aesculap Gau sw
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ehr.reich, schweina-mi.
gebruder heller,schmalkalden-mi.(ground rohm).
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Gust. Haker with Gau district "B" in Berlin.  
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The information and knowledge I get from this forum gets better and better! Thanks Again!
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Eickhorn, Wm; HACO, B (duh!); Pack, He; Pack, Nm; E. Wusthof, Ho; Kober, Th; Geigis, Wf; Bocker (SA Cu Marine), Wf
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Don't think I've posted this on this thread. If I have, apologies for the duplication...
EP&S - Th - Ground Röhm
WANTED TO REPURCHASE!! Walther pistol Model PP - ac code - Ser. No. 382000P - REWARD FOR INFO ABOUT THIS PISTOL!!
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No apologies needed Denny,, always nice to see a great SA> regards Larry
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Here is a ultra rare maker, not even listed on the McSarr list?
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Siegert has them as a 9 Fisher rates them as rare around 1000 made can't find my MCSAAR
just now in haste Tony
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beautiful dagger E.Rader and very rare,, take a look again as it appears as a 10 on the McSaar list. last column first position. Congrats on a rare find!! Regards Larry
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Sr.Dave Hohaus, thank you very much for this great work
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It's ALL in the DETAILS!!.......
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Here is my contribution.
AUG. MERTEN Ww. - Wm
H. F. LAUTERJUNG - Ho
C. R. LINDER - Ha
GUSTAV SPITZER - Ns
E. P. & S. - Nrh partial Rohm
F. ED. OHLINGER - Ho
C. LINDER - Nrh
C. EPPSTEIN-SOHNE - Nm
GOTTFRIED MULLER - HERGES VOGTEI - Bo
WILH. KOBER - Sa
J. P. SAUER - Mi
WESTER & BUTZE - Om
Best, Lukas.
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My contribution Gebr Heller...............Th Gebruder heller...........Mi F.ED Ohliger...............Nm E.P.&S.....................Nm Carl Jul. Krebs............He Haco.......................B Friedr.Aug. Schmitz.........Ns Malch & Ambronn............Sa Curt Hoppe.................He cheers Ronnie 
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I have now one Hugo Linder Deltawerk Dagger with "Ns".
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My Henckels marked OST.
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Not sure if you're still tracking...
Mine is an ARTUR MELCHER (Armeso) with Gau mark: Wf
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Here are my SA Gau marks which are not on the list
Gottfried Weyersberg Soehne.....NM
Hugo Rader.....WF
Gebr Grafrath.....WM
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One more
Adolf volker.....S.
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PHOTO OF CLEMEN & JUNG NSKK DAGGER WITH GRUPPE MARKING FOR NIEDERRHEIN
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Another Nrh, by Kaufmann & Sohne.
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I have a Bismarck with Gruppe mark Ns. Will check my Geigis dagger later...
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Sorry...my bad! My Bismarck is Wm and not Ns. My apologies.
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My Geigis is marked Ns... as on the main list.
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FYI: They are SA Gruppe Marks, not NSDAP Gau marks!
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Hello,
My sa Dagger is Sauer et Sohn, JP =sa
L\' man will succumb killed through the 'excess of what' he called civilization.
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Hello , From Zella Mehlis (Mauser City) this C.Kührt and Fr engraved :  Cheers S+
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Re , No name E.Röhm :  S+
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Tony, I am sure that GDC members would appreciate seeing pics of your rare Hermann Schneider TM SA. Regards
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Tony, I am sure that GDC members would appreciate seeing pics of your rare Hermann Schneider TM SA. Regards And, I should have said; welcome to this great forum.
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Yes, Welcome!
Here is my file copy. I think it is a very cool trademark. Hart to find too.
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Hello all , for me a NSKK dagger from Halbach Gebr?der *Bull Dog* logo and no Gau marking . ![[Linked Image]](https://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s423/saturnin73/DSCN4038_zpsrzrmgowy.jpg) S+
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Hi again ,
please to add :
Ed.Wusthof (ex Roehm). ........ Nrh
Ed.Wusthof ........... Wf
Ed.Wusthof (ex Roehm) ............Wf
Kober ........... Th
cheers = S+
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Hi all ,
once more a rarity :
Wilh.Krieger .... W ... (yes a Feldherrnhalle) , pic to come soon .
cheers = S+
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Hi ,
it's done but sorry for the bad pic ;-( ,
anyway I think I own the 3rd Feldernnhalle dagger on this Forum ;-)
DSCN4118.JPG
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First post here.. Howdy...
E. KNECHT & Co, WM
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Hi, Joe,
Thanks and welcome to GDC
Dave
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Hi, Joe,
Thanks and welcome to GDC
Dave Thanks Dave.. Glad to be here... Just so Everyone knows... I am a collector of all things WWII... Nothing to small... Guns, Uniform, helmets, daggers, Paper items, Home front items.. Etc... and I like sub catagories to my collecting.. such as Food, Music and Christmas... But anything WWII I enjoy collecting. Right now on my list of sought after items is a German Tropical Tunic and a Walther PPK. Once I get this sight figured out I'll post more...
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Well, Joe,
You came to the right place. We've seen most things in militaria over the years, but we'd love to see your stuff.
Max image size is 176 KB and it sometimes a pain to resize pictures. We have been trying to find software updates that include automatic resizing, but no luck yet.
Dave
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Dagger SA Carl Julius KREBS
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I see the C.J. Krebs is not updated on the main list. Here is another one
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Another one not on your list(while I'm going thru them) C. Wusthof (Fr)
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Great daggers, fantastic pics good to see you Bret cheers, Ryan
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I just love those Carl J's
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