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1957 Ostvolker. Its easy to tell recognise the 2nd class: note that the ring is attached directly to the medal. How do you tell apart 1-st class is a mystery to me.
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Askold, that's great! I never before saw the reverse of a repro 1st. class award.
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Yeah, the 1957 are rarer thatn the war time medals  I thik I figured out the differences withregards the 1st class. After studying numerous pics of Ostvolkers 1st class, I think the 1957 version has the rounded pin catch, while the war time medal, has the prolonged catch.
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I agree about the catch on the 1st cl. When I collected them [and its only my personal preference] I'd only want them with the oval catch plate like this example shown here.
What really confused me was the award case for the 1st cl! I had always thought the W.W.II cases had a domed top,,,but a couple of years ago I saw a 100% original badge with case and the case was flat topped...
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Thanks for sharing interesting info Gaspare. With a bit of research I found out that there are Ostvolkers come marked in 13 as well (L/13 to be precise). I also found a pic of 1957 1st class - and this completely supports my theory - the catch is ROUND!
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Any more examples of these interesting awards?
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Glad you bumped this up Joe,,,,There seams to be a new development with these medals.. There are examples without the 'rope'on them.. I've always thought them to be reproductions.
A couple period drawings have been brought to attention that seems to show them without the rope early on...
I think this [drawings] is from Dr.Kleitmans last period catalog. Can anyone confirm? Any members with one without 'rope' that has a good provenance?
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Correct myself here. Not Kleitman.. *The above drawings are from the 1943 Doehle catalog.
I've also noted that the award cases to the 1st class do not have the rope on the box lid.
There is also a period LDO ad/article on the medals but its not clear enough to really show so I didn't post. Any member have a clear scan of it?
Thanks ,G.
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 Well H-ll, call me Mr. observant. Gaspare, thanks for bringing this up. Have had this example for some time. 100 on the ring. It has fair provenance. But we'll discount that for now. --dj--Joe
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Reverse close up.
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Note that the sword blades are different on my bronze and the ones in the Doehle catalog. Shows up better on the catalog photo.
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I recall a chart of variant ribbon colors for Ostvolk awards also. Do not at the moment remember what reference I saw the chart in.
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Here are the few I have. only a couple of them are maker marked and all of them are the same 100(Rudolf Wachtler & Lange).All the ones in the packets came from my friend who got about a dozen from a vet. I picked out one of each type. None of the packets are maker marked but 2 of the medals are marked.
1st one.
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Here's a loose one without a ribbon. It's hard to tell if it's a bronze or gold but best guess is it's bronze. Unmarked
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Gold without swords. Made of zinc with the finish lost to time. At least it's maker marked.
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That's all for the 2nd classes.
1st class silver w/o swords.
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