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Respekt, Respekt. I know colleague Coleman's skill at reuniting bits that are thrown to the winds. Both of you have wonderful, splendid material. One sees where the term "goldene Fasanen" arose.

WOW , the uniforms, visors, badges. The stuff dreams are made out of.. Stunning, really!. , thanks for showing them!! , G.

Bob & Jeff, your collections are awe inspiring. I had the fortune of owning one of the Gau pair for a while. Really spectacular collections both...In fact if I'm not mistaken, my other high ranking NSKK Standartenführer, is also out of Bob's treasures.

More of Bob Coleman's great stuff to follow:

This a very early PL Zellenwart

Orts 2nd pattern brown shirt in the rank of Zellenleiter

Kreis Hauptstellenleiter 2nd pattern insignia

Gau Stellenleiter

Rare Party Court (pre 1939) Gau brown shirt in the rank of Gaugericht (2nd highest rank)

Rare last pattern direct embroidered Gau visor

Very early style PL kepi

another early one

My RL direct embroidered visor

pre 1939 RL party court in rank Richter Am Obersten Parteigericht

Jeff:

I hear that you are setting to publish a book on Political Leaders uniforms etc. Any date of release yet??

Mark Costa

Waiting on the publisher's photographer....book was suppose to go to them this month...I will keep you posted.

Colleagues, wonderful images and splendid material. I salute your contribution.

Wow, these are truly the most fantastic tunic I have ever seen. Both Expand and Bob ( is there anything you do NOT have, Bob ) have displayed some fantastic items. Indeed the white Bormann tunic is a killer ( didn't know you had that one !! )
Now, as for the book you mention. Is it true that a book on NSDAP uniforms is going to be published ? Will it be one of those wonderfull Schiffer books ?
By the way, I was also informed that there will be an SA book as well. Guys, fill me in. Okay, I did switch over to daggers but seing stuff like this makes my heart beat faster.
Bob, can you make an estimation of how many tunics you have ? Just wondering..

What you see here is only part of his wonderful collection. I am happy that I have contributed to the collections of my Illinois and Arizona colleagues, as well. All of this is such a pleasing contrast to the wretched images of fake little pieces of tin and south Asian embroidery. Viel Sammlerglueck.

Hi Donald,
Well, as you might now 90% of my former SA-collection now resides in Bob's.
That's why, everytime he shows his new goodies, I wonder ....when does this stop

Dear Colleague, I did not know this was the case, but hands across the sea and all that. 100% of my former SA collection (such as it was...) resides in his and I am happy for it. His is a wonderful collection and he is a wonderful colleague, as well.

Now, you have a classical way of saying things and a bit 'British' too. Now all we are waiting for is for Bob to throw in some numbers to baffle us.
By the way, it's indeed Goldene Fasanen (Gold Pheasants) but what has always puzzled me is why did they not have any daggers.

My early Orts brown shirt in the rank of HauptStellenleiter

Kreis early brown shirt in the rank of Amtsleiter

Pre 1939 Kreisleiter

Last pattern Kreisleiter greatcoat

Final pattern Kreis level Leiter eines Hauptamtes in the rank of Gemeinschaftsleiter

Named Gau Leiter einer Stelle in the rank of Gemeinschaftsleiter

with matching Greatcoat

WOW I loved the Martin Bormann's tunic! really nice congrats!
But the only thing that makes me think is that he was was a short and really fat person, it strange because this tunic looks too small even for me.

Regards,
Adriano Vanni

ADRIANO-
BORMANN WAS NOT FAT BUT A BARREL CHESTED INDIVIDUAL. THE TUNIC REFLECTS THAT BUILD. THE TUNIC IS ONE OF THREE THAT HAVE BEEN VETERAN AQUIRED. ALL ARE TAILORED BY THE SAME FIRM. THEY WERE ALSO ALL OBTAINED IN THE OBERSALZBURG AREA BY THE US ARMY SOLDIERS WHO BROUGHT THEM HOME. ONE APPEARED ON THE COLLECTOR MARKET AROUND TWENTY YEARS AGO IN OHIO AND THE OTHER TWO CAME OUT OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA LESS THAN TWO YEARS AGO. SO IF YOU ARE INSINUATING THAT THESE ARE NOT GENUINE, YOUR OPINION IS INCORRECT.
BOB

Bob

As I saw the original Martin Borman tunic
come from the vets closet, with pics of
gi's wearing other whites I am sure how
they were captured!

PVON

Hi when was the white political summer tunic approved/adopted for wear? Were they tailored pieces for the most part or did they have RZM oilcloth tags? Bob,is your Bormann tunic privately tailored or RZM labeled? Outstanding tunic.Was it obtained from Jason Burmeister? Jeff would love to see close ups of the white Orst tunic which you aquired from last year's SOS. Thanks and cheers, Ryan

quote:

Originally posted by klaushund:
ADRIANO-
BORMANN WAS NOT FAT BUT A BARREL CHESTED INDIVIDUAL. THE TUNIC REFLECTS THAT BUILD. THE TUNIC IS ONE OF THREE THAT HAVE BEEN VETERAN AQUIRED. ALL ARE TAILORED BY THE SAME FIRM. THEY WERE ALSO ALL OBTAINED IN THE OBERSALZBURG AREA BY THE US ARMY SOLDIERS WHO BROUGHT THEM HOME. ONE APPEARED ON THE COLLECTOR MARKET AROUND TWENTY YEARS AGO IN OHIO AND THE OTHER TWO CAME OUT OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA LESS THAN TWO YEARS AGO. SO IF YOU ARE INSINUATING THAT THESE ARE NOT GENUINE, YOUR OPINION IS INCORRECT.
BOB

As a resident of No. California, I am aware of some of the circumstances with the appearance of these pieces in the recent past. I am delighted they reside in such a leading and important collection.

UNFORTUNATELY, CURIOUS COMMENTS LIKE THOSE OF ADRIANO CAN BE INTERPRETED IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. THE NEXT COMMENTS WILL BE HOW THE PROPORTIONS OF THE JACKET COMPUTER ANALYZED DO NOT MATCH UP WITH THE TORSO OF MARTIN BORMANN. THIS IS THE REASON MANY LEADING COLLECTORS DO NOT POST THEIR COLLECTIONS ON THE FORUMS DUE TO STUPID COMMENTS. IT IS BEST IF THE KNOWLEDGE IS NOT RETAINED IN THE BRAIN, IT IS BETTER TO KEEP THE MOUTH SHUT.
RYAN, POSSIBLY YOU MISSED IT IN MY POSTS BUT ALL THREE KNOWN WHITE TUNICS ARE PRIVATELY TAILORED BY THE SAME MUNICH FIRM.
BOB

Hello All,
The issue is relevant because the size of a tunic may determine the owner in special cases,like this for instance.
As an example I have one NOT NAMED Army GFM tunic and because of the extra big size I can only presume it was Von Kluge,the only GFM with a size very close to the tunic I own.
However ANY PICTURE for obvious reasons may easely deceive even advanced collectors!
Furthermore,it is well known that ANY tunic or cloth WILL shrink as time goes by,specially tunics,or cloth that WERE NOT preserved properly.
I had the privilege to examine SEVERAL Napoleonic era tunics,wich,by the way is my 2nd favorite military subject,and they were all incredibly small,some in museums and some in private collections.Some tunics are so small that today have a size for a 10 years old kid.Have you ever noticed this? But they are,of course almost 200 years tunics.
My point is that if this NSDAP-REICHSLEITER tunic belonging to Martin Bormann is a little small it´s not a strong argument to determine that it is not real.
Best Regards to All,
Aylson Doyle

Bormann surely did not have the dimensions of a Prussian guard. Look at the images of him together with other leading Nazis. He was typical of men of his generation and surely this generation was physically less pre-possessing than Europeans of today to say nothing of a certain generation of my countrymen and women. This is yet another trap of anachronism about which one should be careful to generalize.

MY QUESTION IS, HOW ANYONE CAN EVEN GUESS WHAT SIZE A UNIFORM IS JUST FROM A PICTURE? I AGREE THAT KNOWN PERSONALITIES WHOSE TUNICS ARE KNOWN TO BE IN COLLECTIONS SHOULD HAVE SIMILAR DIMENSIONS. HOWEVER, THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR IRRESPONSIBLE STATEMENTS. ALL WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE THREE WHITE TUNICS KNOW THEIR PROVENANCE AND HAVE NO DOUBT OF THIER PEDEGREE. IN THE CASE OF MY TUNIC, I HAVE NOT ONLY PICTURES OF THE VET HOLDING THE TUNICS HE AQUIRED BUT ALSO A COPY OF A BOOK HE WROTE JUST FOR HIS FAMILY DETAILING HIS MILITARY CAREER FROM HIS FIRST ACTION IN AFRICA UNTIL THE DAY HE RETURNED HOMES. THE DOCUMENT ALSO INCLUDES NUMEROUS ORIGINAL IMAGES OF THE SOLDIER IN VARIOUS PLACES IN AFRICA AND EUROPE, INCLUDING SEVERAL OF HIMSELF IN FRONT OF THE BURNED OUT SHELL OF THE BERGHOF.
BOB

Hello Donald,
There´s a lot of things to be said about Martin Bormann.I remember reading in Charles Hamilton´s "Leaders And Personalities Of The Third Reich" that Martin Bormann was camera shy! Have you noticed how he is different from one picture to another? Also it is well known that he could walk alone on the streets and nobody could recognize him.Curious isn´t it?
Yes he was no Prussian Guard but close to the end of the war he was real fat and he was not tall,but not fat like RM Göring.
He was indeed a shadowy figure who moved darkly in the background of Nazi intrigue.
Just another interesting detail about him is that I am very sure he was ALIVE until 1986 despite the fact that it is said he died in 1945.
Best Regards,
Aylson Doyle

Mr Bob,

I´m sorry if got the wrong idea about my post. I didn´t insinuated nothing I only said that this uniform is small to me.
Why you got soo angry if I only shared my body size?

I bealive that if you are soo shure of its originality you will only say:
"Adriano you are wrong, this uniform is big and fit quite well a fat person."

But you said that I was insinuating that it is a fake, the only person that is insinuating something here it is you, you are insinuating that it there´s something wrong. I can notice that only because of the whay that you spoke with me.
I really don´t care if this uniform is or not is original, the only thing that I care is that this uniform is small for a person like the picture.

Im sorry for any inconvenient.

Adriano Vanni

Hi Bob there is no doubt what so ever that your Bormann tunic is genuine. I would be astonished if there is anything questionable in your entire collection due to your expertise and knowledge. Having said this I have read Adriano's comments again. Although he expresses a thought he doesn't make any accusations one way or another. He was expressing a point that to him was valid, incorrect in our collective opinions as it might be. The comments of Adriano in no way affect the originality of your tunic nor our appreciation of it. Life is too short and wayward opinions should not affect whether one decides to post here or not. We are all the better for your posts and those of Jeff, John, Donald and other fine collectors/collections.NOW can you please tell me when the white summer tunic was authorized for wear? Thanks and cheers, Ryan