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Posted 19 November 2003 17:49
Doulbe decal fire police helmet with comb with 99% paint
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Gary8
Posted 19 November 2003 17:51
other decal
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ORPO
Posted 20 November 2003 10:16
Ernst, Thanks for showing the photos. The second Feuerwehr tunic picture does look like it has the same cuffs as the Winkl one. The blue tunics I normally associate with Fr. FW are the ones with French cuffs. Of course period photos all show quite a mix of green, blue, and other various dress among Fire personnel, even in the same Zug.
Gary, I like that Winkl eagle too. The ribbon wreath binding really stands out from the normal X configuration binding. I noticed the fake Bevo style cap eagles that came out of Germany a couple of years ago did not get the X configuration correct and instead embroidered some sort of flower looking thing at the bottom of the wreath instead. These fake eagles were machine sewn to equally fake Polizei side caps in black and green with exotic pipings when they showed up in the US.
Has anyone found regs for when the combed helmets were worn? I thought the combs were for leaders, but there are photos of whole troops of FW folks wearing them.
George
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patrick
Posted 20 November 2003 11:02
George,
Do you have a picture or scan of one of these fake eagle's and caps you are talking about.
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Diane Schreiber
Posted 20 November 2003 11:32
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Originally posted by Gary8: Here is my private purchase open collar tunic that has an extra button to allow it to be fully closed to the neck.
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Isn't this insignia combination incorrect for the Werkfeuerwehr? They should have a different style of collar tab - similar to the style work by the RAD EM's and Army Sonderfuhrer and the center of the shoulder boards should have a carmine stitching instead of black. Also the collar tabs are normaly lined up with the top of the collar - not the bottom. When the collar was open the tabs would normally point inward to the wearers neck.
Please keep in mind that there are many variations of Feuerwehr uniforms and insignia and quite a few intra-service transfers between the professional, volunteer and Factory Fire Fighting Forces.
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Gary8
Posted 20 November 2003 12:04
Hello Diane
This tunic is direct from Angolia, if he liked it I have no problem with it. I would think this tunic is pretty late war as the collar patches are the bevo type.
I have never seen any fire police tunic with the RAD type collar patches or with the pink in the middle of the boards.
If you have one or anything that show this I would be greatly interested to see it.
The collar patches are machine sewn and everything is original to the tunic as far as I can tell, do not know about the eagle but who would!!
Here is the collar closed. I still do not see any problem. The collar lies flat but I would summise that is because the collar was never made to be closed, that is why the patches are matched to the bottom and not the top.
[This message was edited by Gary8 on 20 November 2003 at 12:21.]
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Gary8
Posted 20 November 2003 12:29
Werkfeuerwehr personel
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Gary8
Posted 20 November 2003 12:33
front row
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ORPO
Posted 21 November 2003 02:01
Pat, I don't have a scan of the repro bevo style eagles, but they are distincive in that they are an elongated "tall" grey eagle. The giveaway is the X shaped ribbon at the bottom of the wreath is missing and a "flower" with a center and surrounding petals is embroidered in place of the "X." Some of these were sewn onto reproducttion black sidecaps with green piping as well as police green ones with Gemdindepolizei, etc piping...all with fake rubber stamps and dates.
Gary & Dianne, In my experience there was a wide variety of Werkschutz and Werkfeuerschutz uniforms and insignia. Dianne is absolutly correct that there was a lot of "job sharing" among these folks as the photos on Gary's link show.
George
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patrick
Posted 26 November 2003 12:54
George,
Is the eagle you were talking about?
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patrick
Posted 26 November 2003 12:58
brown
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ORPO
Posted 26 November 2003 15:51
Pat,
Yes, this is the eagle that is a repro in my opinion. I know that some folks like this eagle, but it is a reproduction in my world. I saw the brown ones in German flea markets and the black ones were machine sewn to the entirely fake side caps that came out of Germany a couple of years ago. Not any other eagle, but this particular eagle...and put on during manufacture. The hats sold at MAX and SOS and have bogus (but proper) rubber stamps in the lining. The tip off on the side hats were that the piping did not come far enough down in front and back and the stiffening inside was made of plastic mesh instead of natural buckram. And, of course, they had this eagle on the front.
George
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Gary8
Posted 03 December 2003 13:25
Here is the latest aquasition to come to the fold. Fire police with black collar and cuffs. Unfortunately I managed to pull a button off the thing with in a hour of getting it. Thats what you get when you try and fit a small tunic to a large body form, anyway here it is.
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Gary8
Posted 03 December 2003 13:28
Collar
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Gary8
Posted 03 December 2003 13:31
Shoulderboard
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Gary8
Posted 03 December 2003 13:34
eagle
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Gary8
Posted 03 December 2003 13:40
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ORPO
Posted 03 December 2003 21:09
Gary,
A very nice early Feuerschutzpolizei Leutnant tunic. The eagle looks like another cello and bullion mixture with cello wings...correct? Don't feel bad about the button. I broke one off the shank the other day when putting it on a torso form. You can sew yours back on. I don't know what I am going to do with mine. If I solder it back together it will probably pop off the paint finish. If I replace it, the new one will not match the others. And to think, we are able to do this damage all by ourselves.
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Gary8
Posted 08 December 2003 16:47
Hi Orpo
You are correct on the eagle, well spotted, to be true I never even noticed it, but on closer inspection it does seem to be of a finer grade than the bullion, thiner, but lookd subdued, this would have looked great when it was new, bright eagle with dull wings.
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Gary8
Posted 02 January 2004 21:20
couple of eagles
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Gary8
Posted 02 January 2004 21:22
aome more
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Dave Cameron
Posted 13 January 2004 00:32
Seen this on eBan: Foto - Frauen bei der Feuerpolizei
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JWotka
Posted 13 January 2004 15:42
George, according to the regs the helm with comb were intended for the Feuerwehr, not the Feuerschutzpolizei. The senior Feuerwehr had combs with oakleaf decorations. Baer's book contains a significant error in translation which has led some to believe the helmets could be red. His translated volume describes the helmets as in the color of the piping-carmine.In
fact, the German word is translated as uniform trim cloth which was black.
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ORPO
Posted 13 January 2004 19:10
Joe,
Many thanks for the correct info on the combed FW helmets. I think the red helmets that one sees were either used after the war or perhaps even manufactured after the war for fire department use. The red fiber and the plastic FW helmets are certainly postwar issue.
Dave,
Great picture of the female Fire Service members. Here is one of the green FSP jumpsuits for females. The ones they are wearing in the photo appear to be men's clothing instead of being made for a female.
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ORPO
Posted 13 January 2004 19:31
This coverall has wooden buttons that button left to right instead of right to left. It also has sewn in gussets at the breast and a trapdoor in the seat. It is made specifically for female personnel.
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ORPO
Posted 13 January 2004 19:36
Machine sewn eagle on drillich material patch on left sleeve.
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JWotka
Posted 13 January 2004 19:41
No evidence of a Pinkel pocket, eh?
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Dave Cameron
Posted 14 January 2004 00:45
"Pinkel pocket, eh"
Nice jumpsuit! I guess if I post the picture, you can post the actual material…I like this! What next to post!
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JWotka
Posted 19 January 2004 14:38
And here is an Oberleutnant der Feuerschutzpolizei with black facings and black banded Schirmmutze. Sorry for the quality of the digital.
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JWotka
Posted 19 January 2004 14:42
Here is a shot of the visor eagle. It is a single molding but shows two piece depth to the eagle. It is a nice Erel with the vent behind the eagle.
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patrick
Posted 19 January 2004 16:32
Joe,
Dave is right that is a super nice tunic and visor. I also like the belt with cross strap
I'm posting two district leader badges for FeuerWR. I think the top one is orig. but the bottom one looks very new and I'm just no sure about it. Anyway its a filler.
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Ernst H
Posted 20 January 2004 09:51
Here a figure of a member of the Feuerwehr/Feuerschutzpolizei
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Gary8
Posted 29 January 2004 20:42
Here is a couple of new arrivals this week
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ORPO
Posted 29 January 2004 22:44
Very nice eagles Gary. The one on the right is the same one that is on my female FW coveralls pictured above. I am sure they were worn on the men's coveralls as well.
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Gary8
Posted 05 February 2004 17:23
OK guy's heres a suggestion, if you want to keep these threads going why not start posting pictures of those caps and insignia, I know that some of you might find these insignia boring but they are some of the best made, so here are some more eagles. Thanks guys for the nice comments on those eagles
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Gary8
Posted 05 February 2004 17:26
Orpo Here is one of those eagles you like so much
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ORPO
Posted 05 February 2004 19:42
Gary,
It is nice to see the wide variations of these sleeve eagles. I think FW eagles are particularly diverse since there were so many manufacturers. You are also right about keeping the threads going. Here is my contribution...a Feuerschutzpolizei greatcoat for an identified Rev. Ltn. from Hamburg. I am sure this fellow had his hands full during the Allied firebombing of that city.
George
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ORPO
Posted 05 February 2004 19:46
Sewn in Leutnant shoulder boards with bright aluminum tops with black Vs and carmine underlay. The tag identifies the owner as a "Rev. Ltn."
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Posted 05 February 2004 19:51
Collar detail showing the bright carmine underside of the collar. The collar top is black wool with carmine piping. The underside of the collar must have been very stylish when worn turned up. I have also seen velvet undersides on blue FW officer greatcoat collars.
George
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