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i have seen them online for about $9.

Another variation of the GC Co mark being sold as an original on ebay without diamond - two pics.

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Russell

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Good research, Russell!

Herman

Here's another one I found on ebay, being sold as a repro. Notice the scabbard doesn't have a lip, but looks to be missing the obverse rivet.

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Russell

In the scabbard.

Motto.

Maker is another M7/38.

Last - diamond. Trying to find out whether the scabbard has covered runners or not and what is written on the reverse ricasso.

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Russell

I am impressed, Russell, where do you keep finding these variations of fakes?

The last one is a real ugly one, especially the diamond, all fakes should be like this...

Thanks for the great job!

Best greetings,

Herman

Yes, Russell nice work to help the newer collector out there.

-serge-

Thanks gents. When Paul initiated the topic, I thought it would be an interesting one to research. Most have come from auction sites, and a few from other collectors posted on forums for a check on authenticity, and used with their permission here.

As you can see, most of these would not fool many people, but hopefully it may save some new collectors from wasting money, as there are a few quite good looking, 'older' fakes.

Here's the latest one I've seen - must be an HJ divers knife I suppose...

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Russell

Wow Russell!
Where did you find that super rare "Tyrolian Vherewolf" HJ ???

-serge-

Hi Serge - yes, super rare, and obviously worth a great deal of money! An ebay bargain for the collector of the unusual...

Another M7/2.

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Russell

Hi Ruski >>>what do you think about this Motto??
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Aleksandr

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Aleksandr, pics of the whole knife would be useful.

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Russell

Hi Ruski >>>i am interested in one thing >>>the letter l>> in BLUT >>you see some inscriptions have the top of it rounded and mine is pointing and the letter h in >>Ehre >>in mine you can clearly see the loop of the upper part of the letter h and in other HJ's claimed to be original the loop is not visible it is like a line >>>i mean probebly there are few variations exist >>my HJ..is %100 original >>cause known dealers have seen the picture of it >>>> Do you have any info on this differences in Motto style?
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Hi Aleksandr, I don't have a Heidelberg to compare with but the rest of the knife looks good to me from these small pics. I haven't studied motto differences on HJ's but there are probably some minor variations. Perhaps another member has one that could be compared to this one, but I think it is good. Could be an interesting topic to start.

The RZM pic has just been placed as I was writing, nice early transitional knife I think, and a nice one to have with the 1936 date imo - I don't think there is any problem at all with this knife.

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Russell

This one was recently discussed here but viewed to be an old reproduction. Thanks to Petefish for permission to place it here. Notice there is no rivet on the scabbard obverse. Also, a seam running high up between the grip plates.

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Russell

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3. Notice the heavy and prominent seam running on the inside of the fingerguard.

Motto and sawback.

Last one - Puma maker mark which differs to known originals.

The sawback version was the official hiking knife of the postwar H. Youth copycat group "Wiking-Jugend" (now banned in Germany). Formerly,- Beschaffungsstelle @ Kleeweg 27, 5000 Köln 90. From their Preis- und Bestelliste, Sommer 1983, a Fahrtenmesser, rostfrei, Doppelkreuzsäge, Metallscheide, Odalruneneinlage, @ DM 22,--. It came with an aluminum Odalrune emblem, interesting that these have all been removed & replaced with enamel HJ diamonds. I still have the 1983 sales leaflet.

Great information Silesien. Can you post some pics of the knife from the sales leaflet?

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Russell

Russell, I have no idea how to post pictures, but I'll email pics to you & you can post.

Posting for Silesien - 2 pics to follow.

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Russell