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you have now changed you story
first it was you dagger but you were banned from ebay so asked gil to list it for you
that is why when i won the ebay auction and was sent an invoice FROM YOU i didnt pay
i have proof in the form of emails that the paypal account gil ,or you, wanted me to send the money too was in your name but had gils id kingwenceslas
explain why gil/syl had the ebay id king wenceslas (sorry if the spelling is wrong) which was the same as your confirmed paypal account KINGWENCESLAS but with your name and address
you were in cohoots with them fact!

i have all the emails and an invoice from paypal
YOUR PAYPAL ID WAS KINGWENECLAS (again sorry for the spelling)it had your name and address not gils
so gil s id was king++++ which was the same as your paypal id king++++

i also have a uk dealer who was conned by these people who is happy to provide information visa ve gil syl and jesper

ps
in the end the henkles was a fake with a lazer etched logo!!

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Originally posted by nickn2:
ps
in the end the henkles was a fake with a lazer etched logo!!

....Is this guy also known as "Sirgregoryjames"?

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Originally posted by nickn2:
you have now changed you story

Well I naturally can't remember the exact story as well as you - I haven't kept the emails and I therefore don't know the details like email addresses etc.

But why don't you send copies of ALL the emails that you have to me (you have my mail). This way we can get the problem sorted out once and for all !!!

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YOUR PAYPAL ID WAS KINGWENECLAS

No it wasn't - this ID belonged to the crook Gil.

I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF THIS CROOK INVOICED YOU TOO ???

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In the end the henkles was a fake with a lazer etched logo!!

Not according to the esteemed members here:

http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/728099473/...090038114#3090038114


SO FAR we haven't seen one single evidence proving you’re right !!!

Without evidence you therefore are spreading false accusations towards my person.

You can however prove your statements by sending copies of the mails to ou812@email.dk


Jesper

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Originally posted by Serge (aka Wagner):
....Is this guy also known as "Sirgregoryjames"?

Naaa, these amusing lists of daggers etc from Sirgregoryjames are from a completely different source. His name is (excuse mis-spelling)Greg Zurawski and as far as I know he's located somewhere in the states.

Cheers,

Please stick to what you know to be fact. I have modified a couple of posts at the request of the posters.

Dave

I would like to end this story and clear my back by telling EVERYONE here that nickn2 has sent me two mails saying that I wasn't the one who tried to cheat him.

You can see copies of the two mails below.

I would like to say that everything points to the fact that Gil - who sold the dagger for me - obviously ALSO tried to make nickn2 pay HIM for the dagger.

The dagger that he wasn't his

With this I end my case and ask the jury to judge me !!!

Posting peoples addresses on here without their consent as well as e-mails etc is unexcusable.

I know you might have been trying to proove a point but thats just not the way to do things.

Sorry for the rant but if someone did that to me I would be horrified....

You can see everyones email under their personal profiles.

I meant copies of e-mail conversations as above if it is done without consent rather than e-mail addresses. But home addresses are a NO NO IMO.

I am not getting involved in the matter just pointing out it is "not cricket" to post such personal stuff!

Jesper why bring this up again!
the facts are, and you have confirmed this on this forum, that you asked the crooks gil/syl to sell your henkles for you as you had been banned from ebay when the auction finished and i was the winner i recieved emails from both you and gil asking for payment i got suspicious as you were in sweden ??? and the dagger was in prague i also thought it was strange that your paypal accounts id was kingweclas ,or however its spelt, the same as the crooks gil syl (who by then i had looked up on other forums)the address on the invoice from paypal was yours not gils/syv but if you say this is just a coincidence i accept it
i have kept all the emails in which you said you had known gil/syv for a long time and had done many deals with them and that they were honest as well as the ones from paypal but as i have told you they are on my old computer and i have been too busy too contect it up but i will do
as far as the daggers goes the one listed by gil/syv for you was not the one that started the thread it was a fake with a lazer etched logo so i guess gil/syl was trying to con you as well i know the dealer who bought it along with 2 other fakes and a genuine eickhorn which was the sweetener
as far as you putting my address on the forum you know my feelings luckily we moved a couple of weeks ago or i might have expected a vist from the thiefs who raided another uk collector recently
so just forget it if you say you stopped dealing with the crooks once you found out that they were indeed crooks i believe you end of story

perhaps not the end
if you have access to you paypal account ,i have changed mine so cannot get the invoice that way but i have the email invoice , just post the invoice you sent me for the henckles it will show your id at the time was not kingw whatever

sorry
i never recieved an invoice through paypal from gil/s++ only one from you they wanted me to wire the funds to their bank

Dave Hohaus!!

The best in my opinions is to DELETE this tread asap.
That will be best for all the involved parts here.
We dont need such info laying on the open net !

Details for Item number: 6613395987
Item URL: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=66...=ADME:B:EOIBSA:UK:31
Sale Date: Monday, 20 Mar, 2006, 20:34:24 GMT
Seller: kingwenslas (pragangel@yahoo.com) [contact seller]
Payment details: All payments in US Dollars...NO PAYPAL..SORRY..I accept Money Orders, Western Union,Bank Checks and Wire Transfers for Larger amounts! Thank You
Seller Information
SYLVIE SALTER
PRAHA 2, EUROPE 12000 Czech Republic
Your postal address [update]

pamela noonan
6 ravensburgh close
barton-le-clay, bedfordshire mk45 4rg

original invoice

and here is the proof that jespers paypal id was the same as gil/syl ebay id

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Dear pamela noonan,

Jesper Hjorth would like to be paid for an eBay item through PayPal.


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Money Request Details

Seller's User ID: kingwenslas
Seller Email: jesper@sydjob.dk
Amount: $1,400.00 USD
Postage & Packing: $10.00 USD
Postal Insurance: $8.00 USD
Total Amount: $1,418.00 USD

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Item Information

eBay Item no.: 6613395987

eBay User ID: kingwenslas

eBay Item Headline: Black dagger

eBay Item Quantity: 1

eBay Item Unit Value: $1,400.00 USD


Message

Note: Dagger - eBay item no. 6613395987 - including shipment.

email from gil
Hi Nick, I got an email from jesper..Nick you Dont have to worry you will get the dagger..My feedback on ebay is Perfect as you saw..Paypal Jesper you Wont have any Problem!

oh dear

As I wrote you eBay KICKED me off several times because I didn´t know how to put it on.



Therefore Gil helped me.



Oh – regarding Gil you should know I just send $1400 to him without having the SLIGHTEST guarantee for becoming my item. I trust him 100% and I also hope you trust me/him.



Jesper

Hi Nick, I got an email from jesper..Nick you Dont have to worry you will get the dagger..My feedback on ebay is Perfect as you saw..Paypal Jesper you Wont have any Problem!

jesper
i have another 20 odd emails from gil/slv and you concerning the sale of the dagger can i suggest you stop complaining and we forget this matter?

I do NOT want to spend anymore time on this subject. I can however confirm that the mails nickn2 has pasted into the thread are correct. I therefore naturally have to comment them.

Otherwise I think LH 600 is right !!!

I haven't got any other comments than the FINAL ones below.

Jesper

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Seller's User ID: kingwenslas

Yes he was the seller (as we all know by now). And the seller on the PayPal invoice is kingwenslas because of the eBay auction number.

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Seller Email: jesper@sydjob.dk

Yes I was naturally the one who sent you a PayPal invoice.

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Regarding Gil you should know I just send $1400 to him without having the SLIGHTEST guarantee for becoming my item. I trust him 100% and I also hope you trust me/him.

I DID send him $1400 for the Henckels I bought – and got it. Thus I naturally trusted the man.

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sorry i never recieved an invoice through paypal from gil/s++ only one from you.

That's OK. It was natural that you got the invoice from me - it was my dagger.

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they wanted me to wire the funds to their bank

THIS is where this Gil scammer tried to cheat you. IF I ONLY HAD KNOWN THAT !!!

I can't find words that cover what I think.

Jesper

what do you mean you cannot confirm they are correct?? do you think i have made them up?? they are from you the invoice from paypal is from you kingencelas
by saying this it makes you seem very guilty

This is what I wrote above:

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I can however confirm that the mails nickn2 has pasted into the thread are correct

sorry jesper i misread you comment
but you are wrong the invoice you sent me states
seller`s user id : kingwenslas which is your paypal id further down it says
ebay item #
ebay user id kingwenslas which is gils ebays sellers id
unless you linked your paypal id to his ebay account to make the payment easier ??

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Originally posted by nickn2:
unless you linked your paypal id to his ebay account to make the payment easier ??

Which is correct - I wanted you to know what item we were talking about.

End of story - hope all questions are solved AND that we now have THE PROOF that this Gil is an ....... !!!

Jesper

OU,

We knew that Gil/Sil were thieves. Other people pointed that out in other threads.

The question being posted by Nick is not about whether he/they are dishonest, but about your relationship with them and how he/they came to list an SS dagger for you and get involved with billing him via paypal. I do not see that question as being resolved.

Dave

Dave,

As Chief Moderator, I think that you should be a bit more neutral in your comments as they are extremelly bias and you're only looking for controversies.
I think that it is about time for you to putted to rest.
No need to fuelled this thread on purpose.

I have dealt with Jesper several times and he has been involved in some unfortunate transactions outside his own control.
He is new to the hobby and he has done his fair shares of mistakes ( we all did ) and he is now paying the price, but in no way does it means that he is dishonest.

Pour yourself a nice glass of wine and just relax for goodness sake.
Nobody has been hurt as far as I know.

Im agree with Pat. Like i say before in my tread .
Dave Hohaus!!

The best in my opinions is to DELETE this tread asap.
That will be best for all the involved parts here.
We dont need such info laying on the open net !

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Originally posted by Dave Hohaus:
The question being posted by Nick is...about your relationship with them and how he/they came to list an SS dagger for you and get involved with billing him via paypal. I do not see that question as being resolved. Dave

Dave


If you read the thread again you will see that this question has been answered in details several times.

Since you don’t allow me to PM you I’ll have to recapitulate the story here:

1. I bought a Henckels dagger in the Czech Republic - and I didn’t feel totally confident with the seller. Also because he didn’t speak neither German nor English.

2. Thus Gil sent me a mail saying that he knew the seller, that I could trust the seller and that I could send the money to Gil.

3. I felt a bit more safe because Gil was American (one can always trust an American) – and sent Gil the money.

4. I got the dagger without any problems at all. Thus I naturally trusted Gil – who wouldn’t ???

5. Gil and I chatted along for a longer time - and he seemed like a special - but nice guy.

6. When I wanted to sell the Henckels I got kicked off eBan three times because the pictures showed it obviously was a Nazi dagger.

7. Gil offered me that he would sell the dagger for me (he knew how to do it).

8. The dagger was sold to nickn2

9. Since it was my dagger I naturally invoiced nickn2 through PayPal.

10. I put the eBan auction number in the PayPal invoice. Thus the PayPal invoice came from me – but with Gils Ebay UserID. Below you can see what the PayPal invoice looked like. Because I put the eBan auction number in the PayPal invoice it looked like the invoice came from Kingwenslas.

11. Gil asked nickn2 to send the money to him too. THIS is where the whole story stinks. But I naturally never knew that Gil also asked nickn2 to send the money to him !!!


Dave: I hope the above recapitulation makes the issue clearer for you and others. I hope that I finally have proved that I never cheated nickn2.

Please notice that nickn2 previously has said that I didn’t try to theat him.

It was Gil who tried to cheat nickn2 - as you can see in 11. !!!


Jesper


PS: I am NOT going to spend any more time on this issue. If you Dave still have a problem with me and don't understand that a guilty man wouldn't defend himself so much on an open chatboard where he could ignore the issue then I ask you to kick me off GDC for good.

This is where you put the eBan auction number in a PayPal invoice. In this case this is why it to nickn2 looked like the invoice came from Kingwenslas.

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Terrible system

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