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I recently purchased some leather hangers for SA daggers and I was wondering, which one of the 2 displayed is assembled correctly? Look at the end of the leather straps in the red circle. They´re in different positions. The one on the left is going through a small leather loop and is pointing towards the metal clip, the other one is opposite to the first one. Which one is correct? I assume the left one? Or are there different variants of hangers with different assemblies possible? Any comment would be appreciated very much! Thanks in advance!

Hello ivbaust! I have hangers in both configurations as you have shown. I believe both are correct, just assembled differently. I have NO idea why! On the same note, the vast majority of hangers are attached to the scabbard ring by the leather end and the clip is attached to the "D-ring" of the belt hanger. However I have a period pic of a senior S/A man with the clip attached to the scabbard ring and the leather end attached to the "D-ring"! Personal preference? Go figure! Regards, Leipzig

P.S. Attached is a pic of the style on the right. Want to hear something even stranger? This hanger is S/S marked, yet it is attached to an un-issued, tagged NSKK dagger! Has been there since being assembled pre-1945!

Hello Leipziger,
from what i can see on the front of these hanger , i have big concerns.I like to see the reverse.
Regards.

Hello, deutscher! I am always glad to have anything in my collection critiqued! Here is the best I can do! Inside of clip, D.R.G.M. Reverse leather is stamped RZM in circle, then some numbers, then 37, then S/S. Hope this helps! Regards, Leipzig

Hello, deutscher! I am always happy to have items in my collection critiqued! Here are the pics, inside the clip, D.R.G.M., back of leather is stamped, RZM in circle, then some numbers, then 37, then S/S. Hope this helps! Regards, Leipzig

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Actually, the one on the right is correct as it is the way they are shown in the original catalogs. Many are affixed the other way though and have been that way for a long time. IMO I prefer the catalog method and always put them on in that way.

Houston,

Can you post a catalog picture, please ?

Thanks
Dave

Thanks for your replies.

I´ve found on the website http://www.germandaggers.info/portal/index.php
a picture of a Stormtrooper. I hope the owner doesn´t mind that I copied it here.

Seems like Houston is right. On this picture the hanger looks like the one on the right.

Another picture I found some time ago (and cen´t remember on which site), but hard to see on this one.

My view of the "hanger direction" case is, that they were worn both kinds during the period. It is proovd by a lot of daggers with hangers directly "out of the woodwork". And it is my personal opinion that certain hanger should stay as it was worn during the period. You easily can determine it by loking carefully: See where the more rounded imprints are in the leather and this was the end which was worn on the scabbard ring. The square end of the clip never made those rounded imprints of the ring.
What I can see from the pic from ivbaust these two hangers were worn in exactly the different ways they are shown.
BTW, I am the current owner of the "wearing.." pic #1 , the former owner let WWIIrelics present it in their page.

Ok Wotan, I have to ask. Do you know what kind of dagger the guy is wearing in that photo? The scabbard looks to be leather covered?

Sorry, guys, the question regarding the correct hanger assembly kept me busy the whole night. This morning I have taken some items from my collection and tried to bring them together in a way which makes sense to me (plus looking at the pictures and considering Wotan´s remarks regarding the imprints). Here´s the result. This might be the correct assembly.

... pic 2

... pic 3

I hope this is the correct assembly. Otherwise I have to change all hanger assemblies at my daggers again

When I get some time I will post some of the photos from the original catalogs. Most can find them. But remember-I said that they were worn both ways--but IMO incorrectly-- when in wear the buckle point is down and the tongue of the strap is up.

Just think about it-Whenever a buckle strap suspension ( something hanging from it )is seen-- The buckle point is up and the leather tongue is down. Examples--All other German dagger and sword hangers-Army, Luft, etc.--Luger pistol holster straps, Backpack straps, over the shoulder straps. Police and NSDAP brocade over the shoulder straps, map and binocular case straps, etc, etc.

If I’m getting the picture correctly the little leather keeper is to keep the leather tongue from flopping around in a tongue down configuration. Like German Police holsters. I haven’t changed any of mine from when I got them, but now I’ve to go look and see how mine are configured. FP

Houston, although I do not know the catalog I appreciate your knowledge and I am sure you are are right. But as so often, catalog pictures and regulations were ignored. In this case I think period ignorance because of period unknowledge. According regulations, I also would put the strap the way you described, but each experienced collector could tell by the wearing traces of decades, therefore I personally would reassamble it as it was worn during the period. Just my personal thoughts and no offence for sure.

lakesidtrader, I did a careful look (with lupe) at the pic. It is a plain laquered (perhaps anodized) scabbard, for sure not leather covered. The hanger is attached like ivbaust has done it in his latest pics.

Regards,