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Posted By: JohnZ E. Pack Etched Bayonets - 04/28/2011 09:18 PM
Fellow collectors, I have over 30 Pack etched bayonets and would like to start a thread to share them with you.

I intend to show them in the following order:

By Pack catalogue etch number.
Ovals
Non-listed etches.

In some cases, I will have the same unit dedication on two different etch patterns and will devote some time at the end to show them together.

I hope that you will be interested in this. It will take me several days or more to do this properly. I will also, as much as possible, be indicating where this etch is pictured in Wayne Techet's great book, and my etched bayo bible, German Etched Dress Bayonets. I cannot recommend this book highly enough for anyone who wishes to collect etched bayonets.

John
Posted By: JohnZ Pack No 1 Etch - Neutral - Wide Eagle - 04/28/2011 09:26 PM
Pack No 1 neutral etch is a large wide eagle design and can be seen on page 147.

Note that this example does not have the usual Pack spanner bolts, nor does it have a Pack TM. Instead, it has a distributor mark... maybe the distributor riveted this once he had applied his TM to the etched blade purchased from Pack.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 2 - Large Anti Tank Gun - 04/28/2011 09:33 PM
The No 2 etch is the large anti tank gun.

This a double etched version, the obverse can be seen on page 153, and the reverse, a dedication to Anti Tank Unit 24, can be seen on page 167.

Now, the typical Pack reverse dedication etch is very plain, typically only the reference to a unit number, unlike the much more ornate and complex dedication etches found on the other makers.

This is on a short blade and exhibits the typical Pack spanner bolts. Also, note the large Siegfried Waffen TM.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 3 - Large Anti Air Gun - 04/28/2011 09:42 PM
The No 3 etch by Pack is the large AA gun and this example is a double etched version with a dedication to Flak Unit 22.

While not pictured in Wayne's book, it is shown on page 142 where the Pack catalogue is illustrated.

It is on a long blade and does not have the Pack TM, but does have a distributor TM, and the distinctive Pack spanner bolts.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 4 - Large Flyer - 04/28/2011 09:45 PM
The No 4 Flieger etch is one of the neatest etches that Pack made.

Look at the detail to the C31 airplane. This is a single etch, stag grips, Pack spanner bolts and the large Siegfried TM.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 5 - Large Panzer - 04/28/2011 09:50 PM
The No 5 Large Panzer etch is pictured on page 154.

This one is single etched, but has a dedication to Panzer Regt 5 as part of the design, exhibits the Pack spanner bolts and has the small E Pack TM.

This is not an easy pattern to find.

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Posted By: stingray Re: Pack No 5 - Large Panzer - 04/29/2011 01:20 AM
John, I always thought that you specialize on Eickhorns grin grin grin

Your collection is unbelievable.
Thanks for showing to us.

Regards
Stingray
Posted By: Gladiator41 Re: Pack No 5 - Large Panzer - 04/29/2011 01:56 AM


Very Nice.....Thanks for the show!
Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 6 - Infantry No Oak - 04/29/2011 02:04 AM
There are two basic versions of the No 6 Infantry etch as pointed out by Wayne on pages 144 and 145 of his book. The two versions differ in the addition of extra oak leaves to the soldier's right and around his feet. The etch pattern shown in the catalogue is the No Oak version with what I call the single scallop front bookend.

The bayonet I am showing here is a short, double etch, stag gripped, spanner bolts with small Pack TM. It is shown on page 144 and the reverse dedication to Inf Regt 71 mot. is shown on page 167.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 6 - Infantry No Oak MG Regt 9 - 04/29/2011 02:11 AM
My second No 6 No Oak etch is a long, double etched, Pioniere hilted, riveted (Pack did not seem to use spanner bolts on Pi hilts) with small Pack TM.

It is dedicated to MG Regt 9.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 6 - Infantry No Oak Art Regt 57 - 04/29/2011 02:14 AM
The last No 6 No Oak etch that I have is a double etched, Pioniere hilted, riveted, small Pack TM item dedicated to Artillery Regt 57.

This, of course, like every No Oak version that I have seen also has the single scallop bookend.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 6 - Infantry Oak Single Scallop - 04/29/2011 02:22 AM
Now, we get into the oak leaf added version of the No 6 etch as shown on page 145.

This is a single etch, long blade, single scallop bookend, spanner bolts and the large Siegfried TM. Nothing exciting and exactly the same as pictured on page 145.

Notice the additional oak leaves at the soldier's feet and to his right.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 6 - Infantry Oak Straight/Arrowhead - 04/29/2011 02:27 AM
On page 146, at the top of the page, is a picture of the No 6 etch with added oak leaves and with a straight edged (Wayne calls it an arrow-like bookend).

So, of course, I had to find me one of these, and here it is.

It is a single etched, long, spanner bolt small Pack TM with the straight line bookend.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 6 - Infantry Oak Straight/Arrowhead - 04/29/2011 02:32 AM
I found a slightly different version of this straight edged bookend on a double etched bayo.

It is a short, double etched, oak leaf, straight edged bookend, spanner bolts and large Siegfried TM.

The dedication is to a Wolfgang Kleineick and this was probably jeweler done. But, the bookend on this etch is slightly different from that on the long version that I showed above.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 6 - Infantry Oak Dbl Scallop - 04/29/2011 02:38 AM
The last No 6 etch to show you is a long, double etched version that you can see at the bottom of page 146.

It is a double etch, with double scallop bookends, oak leaf added, spanner bolt, small Pack TM.

The reverse, dedication etch is to an Unteroffizier, Kurt Jung, and can be seen pictured on page 65.

That's it for the No 6's.

I will start on the No 7 tomorrow.

John

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 7 - Small Artillery - 04/29/2011 03:37 PM
The No 7 etch by Pack is the small artillery gun. Wayne speculates in his book that the small picture series by Pack probably did not sell well, so they introduced the larger images as on the Nos 2-6.

In any case, this No 7 etch is a double etched, long blade, Pioniere hilted, riveted, small Pack TM version and dedicated to Art Regt 57.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack Artillery Regt 57 Etches - 04/29/2011 03:40 PM
The above No 7 small artillery etch and a No 6 infantry etch both are dedicated to Artillery Regiment 57.

Both are on long blades, Pioniere riveted hilts and show the small Pack TM.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 8 - Small Flak Gun - 04/29/2011 03:45 PM
The Pack No 8 etch is a small AA or Flak gun and can be seen on page 166 and 168.

The one I have to show you is a short bladed, double etched, spanner bolted version with the small TM and dedicated to Flak Regiment 73.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 9 - Small Panzer - 04/29/2011 03:47 PM
This etch is only pictured in Wayne's book as part of the catalogue from Pack on page 142.

I cannot show you this etch since this is the one numbered pattern that I do not (yet) have in my collection.

Wish me well on my hunt.

John
Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 10 - Small Flyer - 04/29/2011 03:51 PM
The No 10 etch in the pack catalogue is pictured on page 148.

On a long blade, single etched, spanner bolted with the small Pack TM. Wayne rates this pattern as scarce.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 11 - Neutral - 04/29/2011 04:00 PM
The Pack No 11 etch is a neutral etch meaning that it could be used for all branches of service.

It is pictured on pages 149 (without dedication) and 150 (with dedication) in Wayne's book.

The one I have here is on a short, spanner bolted and small TM version and dedicated to Inf Regt 11.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 11 - Neutral MG Btl 9 - 04/29/2011 04:04 PM
The next No 11 is a long, Pioniere hilted and riveted with small TM and dedicated to MG Battl 9.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack MG Battl 9 - 04/29/2011 04:07 PM
I have two dedications to MG Battl 9.

The one above on a No 11 neutral etch.

And,, the other on a No 6 Infantry etch.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 11 - Neutral Antitank 24 - 04/29/2011 04:12 PM
The third No 11 Neutral etch is a short, spanner bolted no maker marked single etched bayonet dedicated to Panzer Abwehr 24, or Anti Tank Unit 24.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack Panzer Abw Abt 24 - 04/29/2011 04:15 PM
I have two etches dedicated to Anti Tank Unit 24.

One is the above on a No 11 Neutral etch.

The other is on a No 2 Large AntiTank Gun etch.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 12 - Mountain Troops - 04/29/2011 04:20 PM
I have only seen this item for sale once in the past 5 years, and I had to grab it as soon as I saw it.

Pictured in the catalogue on page 142 as the No 12 etch, this is a short blade, stag gripped, spanner bolted, single etch with the small TM.

One of the neatest etches produced by Pack.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 13 - Pioniere - 04/29/2011 04:26 PM
The No 13 Pioniere etch is a large format picturing an engineering unit building a bridge.

My example has no maker mark, but does have a distributor mark, is on a long blade, double etched and with spanner bolts (too bad that it is not on a Pioniere hilt, eh?). It is dedicated to Pioniere Batl 43.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 14 - Small Anti Tank - 04/29/2011 04:35 PM
The last of the numbered etches in the Pack catalog is the No 14 small anti tank gun etch. Examples of the large one, the No 2 etch, can be relatively easily found vs this one.

The small versions of the etches probably did not sell well which means that there were fewer of them around to begin with.

This etch is on a long, spanner bolted bayonet with the small TM and is a single etch version.

Have you noticed that all of the small picture etches (the Nos 7, 8, 10, 12 and this one) all have the small Pack TM?

Now, that's it for the numbered etches from the Pack catalogue (I sure wish that I had a No 9 Small Panzer to show, but c'est la vie as they say in La Belle Provence).

Later, I will be starting back up with the unnumbered etches and ending with the Ovals.

I hope that you are enjoying this thread.

John

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack Unnumbered - Neutral - 04/29/2011 10:33 PM
Pack produced this Neuutral etch designed for any branch of service. This etch pattern is pictured on page 147.

I have heard this described as looking a bit Japanese with the rising sun type bookends.

It is a single etch, short blade, spanner bolted model with a small Pack TM. The TM is a little different on this blade since it has the name E.Pack beside the blacksmith, whereas the other small TMs we have seen to date have the blacksmith positioned above the words E Pack.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Hack with the Unnumbered Pack Neutral - 04/29/2011 10:43 PM
Three of the biggest makers of etch pattern bayonets did not sell their etches to other blade makers. The three are Eickhorn, Puma and Pack. Holler and Klaas, the other big etch makers did sell certain of their etch patterns in pretty defined business relationships. To learn more about this, read Wayne's book.

So, one of the 'tells' when you look at etched bayonets is to see if the etch pattern and the blade manufacturer make sense. You will never find an Eickhorn etch on a Pack TM bayonet, for example. This is pretty easy for the big three, not so obvious for the others.

However, like any rule, there has to be an exception. In this case, it is the Pack Unnumbered Neutral etch that we just looked at, but it is on a Josef Hack marked blade. Can this be wrong? Not if you have Wayne's book. Look on page 194 and you will see this exact etch pattern but on a Hack-Werk Steyr marked bayonet.

This is a short, single etched, riveted bayonet. Note, however, that the rivets are offset as though they were on Packs, but using rivets instead of the spanner bolts.

Also note the neat Hack fish TM.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack Unnumbered - Communications - 04/29/2011 10:47 PM
Another etch with no catalogue number is the communications crew etch shown on page 164.

This is a long, single etch, spanner bolted item with the small Pack TM.

It is rated Rare in Wayne's book.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack Unnumbered - Rerik Flak School - 04/29/2011 10:51 PM
On pages 66 and 67 of Wayne's book, you will see pictures of a special order Pack etch dedicated to a Flak Artillery School located in or around Rerik.

This is on a long blade, is single etched with spanner bolts and has the large Siegfried TM.

Neat, eh?

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack Unnumbered - Cannon Shooting Shells - 04/29/2011 10:57 PM
This last of the unnumbered and special order etches is thought to be one for the large cannons of the coastal artillery.

I was lucky enough at one of the shows (the SOS in 2010, I think) to see three of these together ... mine and two others.

All three were on long blades, single etched, Pioniere hilted, riveted and with the large Siegfried TM.

Well, we are on the home stretch with only the Pack Ovals to go from here.

John

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Posted By: Steven C Re: E. Pack Eyched Bayonets - 04/30/2011 02:40 AM
John,

Your collection is always outstanding. And it's been a pleasure to watch it grow. I've been to Canada three or four times in my life. Vancouver, twice, east coast, once if I remember right. How about we do the SOS next year, if I can make it. And we'll see if we can get some other guys to go along with. I'll make it a point to get up to your neck of the woods to see your collection some day. Houston has a collection I'd love to see. I've got a thing for the honor bayonettes. Unfortunately, I only have one. It's a first war and doesn't bring the cash like a second war would.

Thanks for some of the previews I've been able to see. I can't wait to see your collection.

Steve
Posted By: JohnZ Re: E. Pack Eyched Bayonets - 04/30/2011 04:07 AM
Steven:

I would love to have you visit and share my collection with you.

I typically try to do the shows. Right now, I have booked the MAX in Sept, haven't yet booked the SOS next year. It would be great to see you and the rest of the bayo guys at any time in any place.

And, thank you for your kind words on my collection.

I only have a few Packs left to show.

John
Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack Oval Neutral - 04/30/2011 04:12 AM
The Pack Oval Neutral etch is an eagle over a helmet pattern inside of an oval. You can see pics of this on page 156 of Wayne's great book.

This is on a long blade, single etched with spanner bolts and sporting the large Siegfried TM.

If memory serves me well, I got this one from Ron Weinand.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack Oval Bugler - 04/30/2011 04:17 AM
The Oval Bugler etch, seen on page 157, was probably designed for use by any service.

Mine is a long, single etched, stag gripped with spanner bolts and the large Siegfried TM. It is also a blued version which you can see pictured on page 85.

This one came from Ron as well.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack Oval Anti Tank - 04/30/2011 04:21 AM
The Oval Anti Tank etch is pictured on page 159.

The one that I have to show is on a long blade, single etched, spanner bolted with the large Siegfried TM. It also is a blued version, seen on page 87.

I got this one from the Etch Man himself, Wayne Techet.

John

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack Oval Panzer - 04/30/2011 04:29 AM
The Oval Panzer etch is one of the hardest etch patterns to find.

The pattern itself is pictured in Wayne's book on page 155.

The actual bayonet that I am showing here is pictured in the book, German Clamshells and Other Bayonets, by Gary Walker and Ron Weinand on pages 62-63.

This bayonet is on a short blade, is double etched, has the usual spanner bolts and sports the small Pack TM.

The reverse dedication is to the name 'Hermann Weiser' and the lettering to this is in gold.

This, too, came from Ron Weinand. I think that the mortgage I needed to take out to buy this is almost paid off now wink

It is a real beauty and surely a one-of-a-kind. BTW, the Oval Panzer is my avatar that I have used on GDC for the past year.

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Posted By: stingray Re: Pack Oval Anti Tank - 04/30/2011 04:30 AM
John,i think you've the best Pack collection in the world.
Thanks for showing to us.

Stingray
Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack Oval C31 Single - 04/30/2011 04:34 AM
The Pack C31 Oval etch is real purty.

This one is on a short blade, spanner bolted, single etched with a small Pack TM.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack Oval C31 Double - 04/30/2011 04:40 AM
I also have a double etched version of the C31 Oval.

This is pictured in Wayne's book on page 66.

The one pictured and the one I have are the same. It came from Ron Weinand as well.

And, it is on a long blade, is double etched, stag gripped, spanner bolted with the small Pack TM.

The reverse dedication is to a 'Willy Langenberg' and is gold filled.

When you compare the two C31 Ovals, see the difference? The double etched piece does not have the C31 markings that the single etched one does.

Neat stuff.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack Oval Pioniere - 04/30/2011 04:43 AM
The Oval Pioniere etch is seen on page 158 and the version I am showing here was purchased from Wayne.

It is a long, single etched, spanner bolted variety with the large Siegfried TM.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack Oval Pioniere Double Etch - 04/30/2011 04:49 AM
The very last, for now, etch that I have to show is a double etched Oval Pioniere.

This is a very interesting etch. On the obverse, it has the Neutral No 11 etch dedication to Inf Regt 3. On the reverse, it has the Oval Pioniere unit by itself.

It is a long blade, double etched, Pioniere hilted, riveted item with the large Siegfried TM.

I picked this little baby up from my favourite Canadian dealer, Paul Hogle.

That's it, boys and girls. Until I get more Packs, I have shown you everything that I have.

I hope that you are enjoying this as much as I have enjoyed showing them to you.

Keep well, my friends,

John

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack Oval C31 Fliegerhorst Stade - 04/30/2011 02:08 PM
I owned this etch for a short while last year.

Originally from Paul Hogle, it is a long blade, single etched, spanner riveted item with the large Siegfried TM.

It also exhibits no markings on the fuselage, like my double etched C31. It is dedicated to Fliegerhorst Stade.

Now Wayne does show a Fliegerhorst Stade etch in his book on page 60, but that one is an Eickhorn etch. In fact, until I got this one, I didn't even know that Pack made this particular etch.

What happened with this one is that when I showed it to some friends (most of them here on GDC), I immediately got offers to move it. It turns out that the offers all came from one source, a big time collector, who absolutely wanted to have this pattern to complete a small grouping that he was working on. As an avid, some may say obsessive, collector, I know what it is like to be very close to completing a grouping and how important that is. And, since Packs are my second most favourite maker (I like Eick), I gave in and exchanged this item for a rare Eick etch, and a whole lot of good karma, I hope.

So, while no longer on the JohnZ wall, it was for a short while and it was pretty neat, you betcha!

John

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Posted By: Ronald Weinand Re: Pack Oval Anti Tank - 05/05/2011 11:36 PM
When I decided to give up on trying to find all the Pack Ovals, I knew John had a start and only needed a few of the really rare ones (I had a few), so I elected to sell them to him so that SOMEONE could be close to finally having a complete set. I had tried, since my first work on bayonets, to assemble this set. I found it impossible and hoped that, with my additions, John would be able to accomplish this. It appears that he has the best shot in the hobby. As I told John at the time, that is the only reason I would part with the Weiser and the Langenberg Pack Oval pieces.
Posted By: Billy G. Re: Pack Oval Anti Tank - 05/06/2011 01:55 AM
I was pretty surprised Ron sold the Weiser & Langenberg Packs myself but can see his reasoning. It's nice they're in John's collection now along with plenty of good company. I agree with Ray too, this is probably the best Pack (& Eick?) collection in the world. Unless there's some hermit hiding out somewhere?
Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack Oval Anti Tank - 05/06/2011 04:10 AM
Ron and Billy:

Thank you.

Outside of the Oval C31 Stade Pack etch that I owned for about 2 weeks, is there any other Pack Oval pattern that you know of out there?

John
Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack Oval Anti Tank - 04/30/2012 09:57 PM
It has been almost a year since I last posted here.. and that is because it has been a long time since I picked up a Pack etched bayo.

This one came from my friend, Janos, and I picked this up in my very recent trip to Budapest.

It is a double etched long blade with the spanner bolts and the large Pack TM.

What makes this a wow etch for me is the fact that it has TWO Oval etches... the Oval Bugler on one side and the Neutral Eagle over Helmet on the other.

More than likely these etches were either salesman's or retail store sample to show what Pack could do.

John

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Posted By: BarryG Re: Pack Oval Anti Tank - 05/01/2012 12:50 AM
absolutely wonderful Pack collection John. As an item of interest I have a Pack # 6 etch pioneer with Inf. Regt 124 Braunsberg Ost/pr etched on the ricasso. This and yours to Art Regt 57 represent 2 of about 5 or so Pioneer patterns I've seen to non Pioneer outfits from Braunsberg. Apparently many of them preferred the pioneer pattern.
Posted By: stingray Re: Pack Oval Anti Tank - 05/01/2012 01:30 AM
John,that's absolutely amazing what did you found,congrats

Regards
Stingray
Posted By: JohnZ Pack Oval Bugler-Neutral - 05/01/2012 01:35 AM
Also of note is that my two etches to MG Batl 9 out of Heiligenbeil, one on a No 6 and one on a No 11, are both Pioniere hilted.

John
Posted By: Billy G. Re: Pack Oval Bugler-Neutral - 05/01/2012 01:45 AM
Barry,

I've noticed the same thing regarding unit marked Pioneer hilt bayonets & Braunsberg/Ostprussia. The one example I had (now with John's stellar collection) was such a piece.


John,

As always, it's a pleasure to see the length & width of your Pack collection. It never gets dull for me whatsoever.
Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack Oval Bugler-Neutral - 05/01/2012 04:02 AM
It`s just getting tough to find new Eicks and Packs to add to what I have... I know they are out there, but they keep hiding from me.

John
Posted By: Billy G. Re: Pack Oval Bugler-Neutral - 05/01/2012 11:04 AM
Hi John,

Persistence has always paid off for me & undoubtedly it will for you. The real problem you face is when you do get them all, what's next?
Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack Oval Bugler-Neutral - 05/01/2012 01:32 PM
Billy:

You can never get them all.

I have 36 different Pack etches, over a dozen of which are variations not listed in the Pack catalogue. I know of at least two variation etches out there waiting for me to find them, one of which is in the catalogue (the small Panzer).

And, then there are the unit dedications and the stag grip variations and the Pioniere hilted variations. I think that I am scaring myself here that this search will never end.

John
Posted By: Mikee Re: Pack Oval Bugler-Neutral - 05/01/2012 03:27 PM
John,

That's an amazing collection already. Best of luck in finding the rest. Congratulations!
Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack Oval Bugler-Neutral - 07/04/2012 07:48 PM
Thanks to Stingray of this very forum, I had the opportunity to acquire 4 very hard to find and very neat etched bayonets by Pack.

The first one is listed in the Pack catalogue as their No 1 Neutral etch. It is for all branches of service being non specific and only addressing 'My Time In Service'. It also boasts a large wide eagle at the centre of the etch. two things made this a must buy for me: the stag grips, which are not often seen on these etched bayos, and the fact that it is on a short blade. This is the first time that I have seen this etch pattern on such a blade.

There is also a shot of the two No 1 etched bayonets, the short and the long of it.

John

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 2 AntiTank - 07/04/2012 07:51 PM
The second one shown here is also a short bladed, stag gripped etch. It is the No 2, large Anti Tank gun pattern and is a double etch, with a dedication to Anti Tank Unit 24 on the rear. It has no maker mark, but is definitely by Pack... the etch and the offset spanner bolts holding the grip plates are all Pack traits. I have this very same etch pattern, same double etch to the same unit on a plain gripped short bayo. I have only seen this etch pattern (the double etched version) on short blades.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 2 AntiTank - 07/04/2012 07:52 PM
Here are shots of the two No 2 etched bayos, side by each.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 11 Neutral - 07/04/2012 07:55 PM
The third one pictured is the pattern #11, Neutral, for all branches, but this one allows for the addition of a unit dedication into the obverse etch design... so there is no reverse etch on these. This one is dedicated to a Recon Unit 4. And, it has stag grips. The combination of short blade and stag grips makes this item pretty unique just by itself, but the the scarce dedication to a recon unit made it a must buy. The blade has no maker mark, but is obviously by Pack, as you can see.

John

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack Oval Bugler - 07/04/2012 07:58 PM
Over the years, I have owned 3 other copies of the Pack Oval Bugler etch. The Oval etches by Pack are the most beautiful and the most difficult to find etches by this firm (I exclude the ever elusive No 9 small Panzer, of course). All three have been on long blades and two had the added enhancement of bluing. Right now, the one in my collection is a long bladed, blued and stag gripped copy of this great etch. When Stingray offered me this version, I balked until I realized that it was a stag grip, but on a short blade. I have all of the Oval patterns made by Pack, but this is the very first short bladed one.

As I said earlier, the hunt never ends.

John

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 11 Neutral with Horster Bookend - 10/19/2015 08:42 PM
I recently received an e-mail from Ivan (Stingray) asking me if I have this pattern NO 11 Neutral on a Pioniere hilted bayonet. My quick response was that I already had a No 11 with a Pi hilt (dedicated to Machine Gun Battalion 9 to boot) so I wasn`t looking for another to a simple Infantry regiment.

He told me to look again since the etch differed from the typical Pack No 11 etch you see in Wayne`s book on pages 149-150. So, I looked again, and sure enough, it is a different etch pattern. More on that later, but here it is.

Not in great shape at all, but the etch and the Pioniere hilt make it a worthwhile addition to the JohnZ wall.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 11 Neutral with Horster Bookend - 10/19/2015 08:50 PM
There is an etch pattern shown on page 135 of Wayne`s book that is on a Horster marked bayonet and looks a lot like the Pack No 11 Neutral etch. But, there are several differences. I have this etch pattern on an unmarked blade and dedicated to Gebirg Jager Regt 99.

The etch that I just received and that I show above is another version of this Horster pattern etch, but it is on a Pack marked blade.

This makes me think that Pack was the maker for both the Horster and the unmarked etches. It also makes me believe that Horster bought their etches from both Holler and from Pack, as you can see on Page 125.

Here are pictures of the three etches, from top to bottom, they are:

-unmarked blade, Horster etch as seen on page 135, Geb Jager 99
- Pack marked blade, Horster etch variation, IR 3
- Pack marked blade, No 11 etch MG Batt. 9

Note that the Pack No 11 etch is a short etch even though it is on the same long blade as the other two.

As Rowan and Martin`s Laugh In says, `Very Interesting`.

John

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Posted By: DARREN W Re: Pack No 11 Neutral with Horster Bookend - 12/10/2017 10:48 PM
A little late to the show here but what a magnificent,superlative collection of E Packs you have John...thank you for sharing these beauties!

In my humble opinion the best Etch producer of them all and my personal favourite being the number 12 Mountaineering example...how rare is that!

Just great to see.
Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 11 Neutral with Horster Bookend - 12/11/2017 01:33 AM
Thanks, Darren.

I like the No 12 Mountain Troop etch as well, although I also like their various Ovals.

But, frankly, my first love is Eickhorn.

John
Posted By: JohnZ Unique Pack w. Service 1939/40 Dedication - 10/14/2018 03:23 PM
Here is a unique Pack double etch that has some great features and a couple of questions.

First of all, there is a gold inlaid dedication to service in the war years of 1939/40.
Second, the other etch shows a fighting motif of cavalry against infantry and a machine gun.

Both etches are really neat and show great detail.

The questions are:

Why is the large Siegfried (the correct mark for this era, by the way) on the obverse rather than the reverse?
Shouldn't the etches be reversed with the fight motif on the obverse and the dedication on the reverse?
Why the unique bookend and the unique motif, both of which are brand new to Pack?

Enjoy,

John

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Posted By: Billy G. Re: Unique Pack w. Service 1939/40 Dedication - 10/14/2018 07:52 PM
I suspect the obverse logo is the result of Pack not wanting to overlap with the reverse etch, which seems to take up a lot of blade space. I've seen this on special order presentation daggers so I suspect the same could be true on a special order bayonet.

I too have the same question about why they would have a cavalry charge against a machine gun emplacement. Initially I thought it might be some sort of battle recreation with the Polish since I remember reading about Polish charges like that, except the horsemen clearly are wearing German stahlhelms. The detail is excellent & you can even see the decals on the helmets so they're definitely German soldiers on both sides. Really cool piece.

Beautiful & rare bayonet John, congrats brother.
Posted By: stingray Re: Unique Pack w. Service 1939/40 Dedication - 10/14/2018 10:29 PM
Wow Johny,i think you found something rare.
It could be one of kind.
I have similar etch on my Pack sword
Posted By: stingray Re: Unique Pack w. Service 1939/40 Dedication - 10/14/2018 10:30 PM
pic.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Unique Pack w. Service 1939/40 Dedication - 10/15/2018 12:35 AM
Thanks for showing, Ivan. This confirms that Pack did do a cavalry etch.

J
Posted By: BarryG Re: Unique Pack w. Service 1939/40 Dedication - 10/15/2018 10:45 PM
Superb Pack collection John. I've owned a few but only retain 1 now. A pioneer infantry etch with ricasso marked to Inf Regt 24, braunsberg ostp. Yours are the best. Barry
Posted By: Mat J Re: Unique Pack w. Service 1939/40 Dedication - 10/16/2018 02:14 AM
Indeed a one of a kind piece here. I held it at the MAX SHOW. Just a one looker!! Correct in EVERY way. Billy G. is correct about the makers mark placement. This example has got to make your TOP 5 of rarest etched bayonets in your collection. Congrats on this John!!
Posted By: JohnZ Re: #11 Pz Abwehr Abt 13 - 03/08/2019 03:33 PM
I missed this year's SOS for the first time in years, but did manage to score a few items that were for sale by DD Harris.

This one is a short bladed single etch, like every #11 pattern that I have seen. It has no maker mark and is dedicated to service in the Anti Tank Unit 13. I have another such anti tank dedication to unit 24 and both are on unmarked blades.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Neutral Etch on Reverse - 03/08/2019 03:39 PM
Pack had several etch patterns that were not in their catalogue.

This neutral pattern, without dedication, is not very hard to find.

I have this pattern on both short and long blades, both etches on the obverse. What makes this different is that the etch is on the reverse maker marked side, but still on a long blade.

I did buy more of DD's famous Pack collection, but have not yet received them nor taken their pictures, so stay tuned.

John

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Service Etch on Fire Bayonet - 03/30/2019 01:30 PM
There are many faked fire etches out there in collecting land. I am lucky to have acquired my second one and believe that it is a legitimate and period etch.

This is on a long blade, albeit it has been retipped (very well done). It is dedicated to 25 years of service, just like my other one on a short blade.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack #4 C31 - 03/30/2019 01:36 PM
The #4 etch featuring the C31 airplane is not a very hard etch to find (beware though, there are very good reproductions of this etch out there).

I have this etch on a long single etched blade with stag grips and on a short single etched dedicated to Fliegerhorst Stade. So, why another one? Because, this is a double etch with a dedication to August Niemann and it also has stag grips.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack #9 The Small Panzer - 03/30/2019 01:43 PM
Admittedly the hardest of the numbered etches in the Pack catalogue to find is this small Panzer etch. This is the first one that I have ever seen and was originally found by DD on fleabay, of all places.

I am very pleased to be able to acquire this from DD and add it to my etched Pack collection. This now completes my numbered Pack etches, even though there are still many variations of these out there as you will see later.

Here also are my other Pack Panzer etches.

J

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack Communications Crew - 03/30/2019 01:48 PM
The Pack communications crew etch is not listed in their catalogue. It turns out that about half of their etch produced patterns are not as well.

What makes this very collectible in my opinion is that it is on a short blade. I have seen several examples of the long blade etch for sale over the years (and there is one right now on Wayne Techet's site), but this is the first one on a short blade.

I don't usually collect short and long blade versions unless the etches are different, but I could not resist this one.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack #11 Neutral Art Regt 21 - 03/31/2019 01:35 PM
The Pack #11 etch was intended for all service branches and consists of a template where there is space for the unit dedication. Typically, the etch only appears on one side of the blade and can rarely be found with a Pioniere style hilt.

This is my first artillery dedicated #11 etch (I do have a #7 etch to art regt 57) and it is Pi hilted as well another feature that made this interesting to me.

What is interesting is the variation in etch pattern on the #11, here are two long and one short version to compare.

J

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack #11 Neutral Inf Regt 3 Komp 3 - 03/31/2019 02:27 PM
Here is another #11 Neutral etch with a dedication to Komp 3 of Inf Regt 3. It has a Pi hilt, is on a long blade and has a slightly different etch with added embellishments around the dedication. It is surprising how many slight etch variations there are. I also show you my 3 #11 dedications to Inf Regt 3, ll different from each other.

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Great reference thread!!!
Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 6 - Infantry No Oak MG Regt 9 Script - 04/02/2019 02:12 PM
Thanks, Paul.

Two more to go.

As stated before, there are two major versions of the No 6 Infantry etch, the earlier on and the one listed in the catalogue is the No Oak version, an infantry soldier holding his K98 rifle walking through a field. If there is a unit dedication, it is typically found on the reverse side as a one line entry, as in this case.

However, look at the lettering on the dedication, it is in a script not the usually found block lettering.

And, it is with a Pioniere style hilt.



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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack No 6 - Infantry Oak MG Regt 9 - 04/02/2019 02:21 PM
The other version of the #6 etch has added oak leaves to embellish the soldier walk through the fields.

Machine Gun Btl 9 is the dedication on this blade and is the typical reverse one line dedication. But, compare it to the one that I showed way earlier in this thread, where the dedication is part of the original #6 obverse etch.

This also is on a Pi hilt.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack MG Btl 9 - 04/02/2019 02:32 PM
Machine Gun Batl 9 seems to have been a lucrative unit for a Pack etched bayonet salesman.

I have in my collection 5 versions of this unit dedication:

-on a Neutral #11 etch with a Pi hilt
-on a No Oak #6 Infantry etch with block lettering on reverse Pi hilt
-on a No Oak #6 Infantry etch with script lettering on reverse Pi hilt
-on an Oak #6 Infantry etch with block lettering on reverse and Pi hilt
-on an Oak #6 Infantry etch with script lettering on the obverse inside the #6 etch

What a great hobby, eh?

John

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Posted By: DARREN W Re: E. Pack Eyched Bayonets - 06/03/2019 12:47 PM
Once again John thank you for sharing your collection...super duper!

Your collection could probably fill a couple of volumes if you ever did a book on the subject.
Posted By: Mikee Re: E. Pack Eyched Bayonets - 06/03/2019 05:02 PM
By far my favorite bayonets. Thank you for always sharing.
Posted By: DARREN W Re: E. Pack Eyched Bayonets - 06/03/2019 07:47 PM
I'll second that Mikee...the subject variety of Pack Etchings is unmatched imo.
Posted By: stingray Re: E. Pack Eyched Bayonets - 06/04/2019 11:30 AM
Beautiful John,thanks for sharing
Posted By: JohnZ Re: E. Pack Eyched Bayonets - 06/05/2019 02:17 PM
Sharing is what makes this hobby so great.

Too bad that I cannot edit the thread title... I cringe every time I see 'Eyched', but I guess it is better than 'Itched'.

John
Posted By: Dave Re: E. Pack Eyched Bayonets - 06/05/2019 03:21 PM
I fixed it for you, John.

Dave
Posted By: JohnZ Re: E. Pack Etched Bayonets - 06/05/2019 04:20 PM
Thanks, Dave.
Posted By: JohnZ Re: E. Pack Etched Bayonets - 08/08/2020 02:44 AM
Thanks to my good friend, Ivan, I now have a long blade version of the Pack #8, small Flak etch.

The #8 isn't easy to find at all, but when it shows up it is invariably on a short blade. I already showed you my two versions, a short bladed, single etch with a stag grip and a short bladed double etch.

Here is the long blade single etch version.

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Posted By: Dave Re: E. Pack Etched Bayonets - 08/08/2020 03:38 PM
You find the greatest stuff, John.

Thanks for showing.
Dave
Posted By: JohnZ Re: E. Pack Etched Bayonets - 08/09/2020 02:41 AM
Dave, I have a lot of good friends who help me out all the time. They point me to many a good item.

I am blessed.

John
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