There are quite a few highly rated SA trademarks on Mike's scale.

Which do YOU think is really the rarest ?

This is not a quiz, so any trademark is acceptable. The only rule is you have to post a picture. It does not have to be your dagger or your picture.

Dave

The only other I know of is owned by (I think) member DONS and his is a full Roehm.

What a magnificent blade !

Dave

The ones I don't have yet.

Posting this one for DONS, a Tiegelwerk Riembergbei Breslau. Don's only seen this one once, me never. Sorry for the small image.

I wish I could post a picture...

Friedrich Baurmann & S�hne

I've had a couple of these in recently and like the name (the battleship of SA's)
The quality on these was also fantastic.
Wendy & Ian

www.simplydaggers.co.uk

Ehrhardt Reich (Schweina)

Sam,

A. Werth is not seen to often in my opinion.

Herman

When I bought my Ernst Bruckmann and Eugan Scheidt I googled them and nothing was found as far as on a dealers site or on any collectors forums. The same thing when I bought my RZM 7-69 H A Erbe AG.

Ernst Rottgen. Heres one..that was never seen up until about a year ago. I forget who the owner was and I hope they don't mind me posting it.

here is my rudolf schmidt

Here is my favorit marker, Perfectum, Solingen

I like that Rottgen. And what's with the Rudolf Schmidt? Is it supposed to be the Michelin tire man with an afro?

Here's one I posted awhile back and got some feedback that it was pretty rare. A Friedrich Geigis.

This is the rarest I have at the moment....

Good one John! I have never seen that one before now.
Ron Weinand
Weinand Militaria

I waited a long time to find this one.....DAVE H

About

WILH. WELTERBACH (waterpumps on the trademark) Thanks

Could this be rare it is a Hugo Koller and it seems I have other Koller's, but none with the eagle and sheild logo?

I used to own this one. I don't remember why I sold it now?...

Hi everyone,this one is not seen very often.sorry about the photo,but my camera is not working very well,nats

http://members.lycos.nl/stantheman/

Ouch...that's gorgeous...and a bag too ! Wouldn't like to think what the big boys would ask for one of those !! Still your rarest at the moment isn't too bad...

Jonathan

This is a very good thread indeed. Bringing out some very rare makers a couple of which I have not seen before. I have a G.Felix Gloriawerk that I believe is not too common. my stuff is packed away for home renovation but I`ll post a pic asap.

John, I am surprised you would sell that dagger! An early SA with bag is about as rare a factory original as you will find on today's market. Only a bagged SS with presentation in a bag that I have seen would be more rare. Early daggers, even HJs, with bags are hard to find, much more so than an RZM piece, of which I have seen SEVERAL over the years.
Ron Weinand
Weinand Militaria

Hi Vesuvio,

Here is the Wilh. Weltersbach you mentioned. Sold this one recently.

www.simplydaggers.co.uk

Is that the Ohliger that's on Craig's site?

Here is another one I have not seen before, it is in a NSKK scabbardand is WILH KREIGER, has nay one seen one of these?

Ernst Kemper one of my rarities. How's this for an understated logo?

Heres another one you do'nt see to often,this one is for Skyline Drive, nats

http://members.lycos.nl/stantheman/

I want! I want! Love that big bird.

quote:

Originally posted by Vaughan:
This is a very good thread indeed. Bringing out some very rare makers a couple of which I have not seen before. I have a G.Felix Gloriawerk that I believe is not too common. my stuff is packed away for home renovation but I`ll post a pic asap.

Hello, I have only seen 2 G Felix Gloriawerk daggers in my 30+ years and here they are, one thing I have noticed is they are one of the most high quality makers I have ever seen, the crossgraining on them is great and they are well fitted.

Here is a little help for
Vaughan
GDC Silver #0321
Since his are packed away, I have only seen 2 G.Felix Gloriawerk and the are of the highest quality all pieces fit tight and right and I have enjoyed mine. But I wonder how they rate in the rarity scale?

Another early maker with bag, NOT mine, but what a nice one...

This is a rare maker for SA's, and I've only seen it as a transitional double marked..

Bag/tag

Witte, from my maker mark picture collection

Reinhold

Otto Stover

Heres My Brosy

My Bruckmann

My Scheidt

May and Vom Hau

Pfeilringwerks

Rob Giersh

That bagged Scheidt shown by vintagetimenow resides in my collection, bag and all. I find I have most of these rare ones so I wonder how rare some of them really are? I think scarce is a better description. I really do think there are some buried in collections like mine that are rarely take out for show. I have sold mainly duplicates so far to fellow collectors.

I like them all and most know I am primarily an SA collector. In the years I have been collecting, I think I have seen all the ones listed excepting two shown so far. Every time I try to get out of collecting SA's, I see one I don't have and get sucked right back into the game. It is truly an addiction.

As Brenda says though, "It beats hanging out in t..ty bars". What a good wife!

Mark

Gottfr. Hoppe Sohne

Found a better picture of my Pfeilringwerks.

Gebr. Bohme

http://members.lycos.nl/stantheman/

Aug Malsh

http://members.lycos.nl/stantheman/

Curt Hoppe

http://members.lycos.nl/stantheman/

Brothers..

Hello,

here a rare Sa Dagger with the maker C.L�tters & cie L�wenwerk Solingen

Gru� Ralf ( Mikatim )

Hello, Here is one I got last weekend, My daggers look much better, but I used windex on my scanner and it just ruined the scanner, but this is a Josef Wolf and I think it is VERY rare, but would like some input. I paid quite a bit and would like to make sure I was right on it.

I sent the wrong picture sorry. I bought a Josef Wolf with the double XX logo last weekend and I think it is rare, but do not know and would appreciate any input. PLease excus the poor pictures as I cleaned my scanner with windex and it just ruined it.

Here's a Wilhelm Halbach.

Three rare birds..

Ya gotta love those Pfeilringwerks.

Thats a great looking dagger Bernie. Pfeilringwers is a sharp looking motto.

I think we need to make an online catalog of pictures of all the makers for reference! Any ideas how or who would host it?

Linder

Grah Reinhold

I haven't seen this one here, yet....I was told that it's a not-often-seen variant.

Beautiful marks

Remeve+Bismarck

My David Malsch... Skyline Drive says he has one and DONS (?) has another... how rare are they?

I have one-they are pretty rare and wipe that fingerprint off the blade.Mike

Eugen Haering

boy, that is one beautiful Haering-.Mike

That Koller's a beauty Ilya - very USMC!!

Now anyone who can find me a F Koeller and Co. i'll marry

Heres the full picture of the Haering. Mint blade and scabbard but the hilt still has the original varnish which is worn in places and really does not look very nice. I have left it alone as I believe I would likely screw it up if I messed with it. Also I believe the varnish is probally original to the dagger and it might be best just to leave it alone.The Haering is a rarity 10 on Dr. Mike's list. Mike

I like that dagger Mike...

One more Perfectum

Any more ?

Dave

SA Gustav Voss

Regards
Andre

a good rare one.

Emil Kaiser

Unfortunately this rare dagger while in very bad condition

Paul A Henckels

E.Knecht & CO

E. Kaiser

Carl Heidelberg

Hartkopf & Co.

Just to clear things up-the rarest Maker that we have absolute proof positive evidence of its existence is Bruno Heimbucher-a picture of it was shown in a Manion auction about 15 years ago. I have never seen a live dagger by this maker and would rate it the rarest KNOWN maker-Mike

Mike,

Who has a copy of the picture ?

I am wary of Manions. Before I gave up looking at their site a couple of years ago, I found many mistakes in descriptions and a good seasoning of what I thought were fakes.

The SA list that I am building does not include Heimbucher as a known maker. I'll probably put it with a few others as "Possible"

Dave

How rare is this maker mark?

Well??!!...I'm sure someone has an opinion....

Paul Kohl

i have just bought two minty SA's to start my collection but do not seem to be able to find a really good reference book on them, any recommendations please?

quote:

Originally posted by yorkshireman:
i have just bought two minty SA's to start my collection but do not seem to be able to find a really good reference book on them, any recommendations please?

Yorkshireman!

There are no complete SA dagger references to be found and everyone is waiting for Wittmanns SA bible, so in the meantime you can try this one:

German daggers of the World War II
A photographic reference: Volume 2
(SA, Feldhernhalle, SS, NSKK, NPEA, RAD, Hitlerjugend)
By Thomas M. Johnson

This book is a Photographic reference filled with amazing pictures.
Not so much historical facts but an interesting reference anyway.
This volume contains 118 pages about SA"

http://www.johnsonreferencebooks.com/cataloguemain.html

Cheers for that info, book being ordered tonight!

herder...........DAVE H

JOS SCHLIMBACH............DAVE H

Fritz Barthelmess.......

After reading a lot in this forum, here my first post: My Friedrich Geigis Solingen Foche!

Gebr. Becker

I know you showed one of these earlier but I only just got the dagger and i love it !!!

got this one at same time but maybe its a common maker ??? anyone know please ?

Not common. Not rare either. A a scale of 1-10 its a _____

Hey Yorkshireman, glad you like them!
Good dealing with you!
Johnny

Love 'em Johnny,hope it was ok using your pics ! !

I am told this is another rare one.

Paul Weyersberg

Comments on rarity?

Think Kwick!

First time i have ever seen that eickhorn logo..on a SA... what time period is it?
DAVE H

It is very early -see the thread about Christmas daggers. I know of two others and have a photo of a third. This one makes four.

Dave

Never seen some of these, never ceases to amaze me the depth of knowledge here!!

Herbeck & Meyer

Gebr.Bell

Carl Heidelberg

Gebr.Torley

How rare is the large double oval serrated tail Eickhorn?

John

John, Not seen a lot. Early, no Gau mark.

-serge-

Actually, the large oval Eickhorns are usually found with Gau mark Wf.

Muller

I don't know if this maker would be considered rare but I haven't seen to many of them!
SSman

Curdts

heres one i don't see in the makers mark ref gallery that i helped build for the sight Dave add this
what is the rarity rank?

I've got one of those Roy, I think they are an 8 on the Mcsarr

What about this one ?
ALBERT MEBUS SA dagger.

Is this type of trademark rare or common ?

LH 600

"Albert Mebus" is considered rare maker by Fisher.

-serge-

Serge, how about this one?
AUGUST K�LLENBERG
Does it look familiar to you?

ivbaust, it's a stone cold 10!
It does look familiar....
Let's see I can't seem to find mine...wonder where it went?
Congrats!

-serge-

August made a long journey over the pond and found a new home. I think he likes it there. But he missed his dog. So it had to follow him.

quote:

Originally posted by vintagetimenow:
Bag/tag

ABSOLUTELY STUNNING !!!

Nice pieces guys but with time I think every SA will be potsed...

Carl Kloos and Albert Dorschel....

Not sure how rare this maker is overall but certainly really love the logo!

It seems to me that here there are some rare items...

Ilya... you must have a rather large collection by now...?

How about a triple Carl Linder from Solingen-Merscheid?

My justinuswerk.have only this.is it rare or common?sorry for bad pickture

Justinuswerk is not that uncommon. I would say middle of the rarity scale. Looks like the condition more than makes up for rarity. Nice blade.

What a great thread. I'm not a SA collector but I love the different TM's.

Thanks Raymond. It is a Ex++/NM dagger from Lakesidetrader.My first,BUT not last from paul

Wath about the RZM 7-72 Kaldenback ?
Are they very rare ? Not seen many of them around ?
opinions ?

regards Lh 600

There are no rarity lists for RZM daggers.

oki many thanks for the replying.
is the Rzm 7/ 72 rare or common ?

Regards lh 600

Today I picked up a "Ho" marked SA. I'll try to post some pics tonight. Until then, Any 411 on rarity of a C.Eppenstein - Sohne/Solingen. Gau mark "Ho"??? I wish I could say that it hasn't been messed with..but there are a few scratches on the pommel nut, also a few "chips" of wood missing. Anyway, Thanks in advance for your comment. The tang has an "A" over the # "24" Inside are the letters, "E" and "W". Cheers, Pauli

"a" Cheers, Pauli

Beautiful and excellent dagger- the handle is gorgeous with perfect fit on the eagle and crossguards- congrats-Mike

Quite rare maker

Thanks guys! I am/was concerned about the cross grain though, is this typical? (better pics may be needed?) anyway, This blade fits "me" better than the "Pack", I gave away on Fathers day. A tad bit "saltier"... better matched to my collection. Cheers, Pauli

The crossgrain looks OK.

I have always wondered what that trademark was ...

1. Log on fire
2. Headdress with wings and horns.
3. A bratwurst catching fire on Mike McAlvanah's grill

Dave

Thats a nice Dagger. Quite a bit rarer than a E.Pack. Congrats

quote:

I have always wondered what that trademark was ...
3. A bratwurst catching fire on Mike McAlvanah's grill

ROFL ... good one!

Well it couldn't be the brats because I like them so much I eat them frozen(much faster than grilling), so it has to be #2-Maybe we should ask Skyline Drive-he'd probably tell you it was 2 satyrs on fire-MJM

Don't think these were posted yet:

Best greetings,

Herman

2

3

4

5

6

7

Some choice babies there thanks for showing

Wow Herman!
You got some choice hard to find makers there.

quote:

Originally posted by Mike McAlvanah:
Well it couldn't be the brats because I like them so much I eat them frozen(much faster than grilling), so it has to be #2-Maybe we should ask Skyline Drive-he'd probably tell you it was 2 satyrs on fire-MJM

The Eppenstein trademark is actually a flaming rocket of love.

quote:

Originally posted by Simply Daggers:
I've had a couple of these in recently and like the name (the battleship of SA's)
The quality on these was also fantastic.

This is my favorite among all the SA makers(BISMARCK) and I`m on the lookout for one of these, so if anyone knows about one for sale please let me know.

Regards
Trond

Bismarck, I�m sure you will like this one. Guess the maker of these 3 beauties

Hehe..you are quite right.....me like.

I`ve been trying to find me a nice Bismarck SA for a long time now, but these are very hard to come by.

You`re a lucky guy.

This thread sends a shiver down my spine with all the rare maker marks , ive just purchased a Herman Schneider NSKK/SA and will post pictures when i receive it .... regards steve

Unfortunately I had to sell this one recently

Carl Friedrich Kayser

But you probably had a better one to replace it?

-serge-

Josef Wolf .
the XX logo
Germany's reply to Aussies Four X's ???
our was it W on top of M ? (Wolf Munchen)

There are no more mint SA's left in Belgium Herr-mann has them all !

Hammesfahr CIE,

not so rare,but i like this logo

Gerd

PD LUNESCHLOSS SOLIINGEN

GOTTFR. HOPPE SOHNE SOLINGEN

found this one!

Herman Schneider

This one appeared at our local sites... attic find in bad shape. I am not able to read the maker in full, or find it somewhere... Who is it?

Jan

That is Sudd Messerfabrik located in Gefrees.

Dave

Thanks a lot Dave, I was not able to find any reference on "S�dd Meserfabrik".... I am curious - how rare are they?

Jan

They are not easy to find but are not rare either. People tend to pay less attention to these "empty double oval" trademarks as they don't have the same appeal as some of the special designs.

There are enough of these "empty double oval" trademarks that I am convinced that these were a stock item for the people who prepared the templates and a manufacturer without a specific logo could just order one of these with their name. 100% speculation, of course.

Dave

Thanks Dave, that is new info to me, but sounds logicaly. To tell the truth I was curious about the empty oval...

Jan

Dave,I have a chance to get a KOBER sa dagger,Are they rare or not?

No. Not rare at all, but very well made with great wood grips.

Dave

Thanks Dave

Thanks,Dave

Well guys, I`ve finally got my own.

Karl Robert Kaldenbach

I'm selling one of these...rare maker mark..

August Bickel.

So, you wanna see some rare makers

Here we go.

How about a Bulldog from the maker Gebr�der Halbach in Solingen.

Here's another.

Regards
Russell

... or from the pocket knife maker Carl Friedrich Kayser from Solingen

... another rare maker. Carl Bender from Solingen-Gr�frath

... finally a real rare bird: Hugo Servatius from Solingen

Since being a new member, I have been reviewing all of the posts under various subjects. So...even though this is way late, I thought it was cool. Here is a rare one for you I have not seen before.

Richard Drees and Franz Steinhoff

Small mark Paul A. Henckels

Ilya those look like some very nice SA's. can you post a photo of the steinhoff in full please mate
Sean

Here�s another SA from Steinhoff with group stamp NS for "Niedersachsen" (Lower Saxony).

My vote would be Bruno Heimbucher, if it exists.

This maker was mentioned in an old Manions catalog. They showed a pic of the front of the dagger but not the maker's mark.

As Manions was not always that accurate, and as that was the only one ever mentioned, who knows if it is real ?

Dave

DAVE H AND MIKE,,,AFTER 7 PAGES OF SOME GREAT LOOKING SA DAGGERS,,WHAT DO YOU RATE OUT OF THE APPROX.250 DAGGER MAKERS.... AS THE TOP 10...FROM 1 THE RAREST THRU 10
DAVE H

Mike will have his the updated list out at the SOS I heard

Dave
There are more than 10 really rare ones, so picking the top ones would depend on your taste. Some of the logos are very inventive and interesting, some are just stock "empty double oval" and other are the name and location written on the blade.

Dave

Hello, Ilya's item (SA Steinhoff) is very good, I think so
P.S. Really sorry for my angliysy

Anyone got the Ernst Rottgens steamship logoed dagger I foolishly sold at auction in Montrose Scotland a few years ago?

ARTHUR WINGEN....CHROMOLIT

P.D. L�neschloss Solingen

I looked through all the postings so far and haven't seen the trademark that is on the SA Dagger that I have. So, here it is. Any idea of it's rarity? Thanks, CHUCK 3 Pictures Attached

Picture #2

Picture #3 Trademark PETER LUNGSTRASS / SOLINGEN-OHLIGS

Hello All, this a great reference thread. I just went through all 8 pages and did'nt see these three makers, so I will add them. Not particularly rare, but neat nonetheless! Regards, Leipzig
C&R Linder

Gebruder Krusius "Gazelle"

Herbertz and Meurer

Here is my contribution

Here is my only SA at this point

C.GUSTAV NEEFF..........

here's the only odd ball i have . i dont know how common it is but i didnt see one in here

next...

Very nice, Ilya

Thank you Mike!These daggers are magnificent!

Love this one

Pure Perfectum

Very nice daggers guys!

Hi Everyone, F & A Helbig SA,
I will post the rest of the dagger ,when I have taken some better photos,Nats

waffenhammer

Here is my contribution

here's my newest dagger,I havent seen it posted on here yet .

next.....

Outstanding. I've never seen the Krom mark before.

next.......

While people ask me all the time "What is THE rarest SA?", I've never been prepared to answer until now. I can get it down to the rarest TWO- so, in alphabetical order they are- OTTO LINDER and ARTUR MELCHER. Amen -Mike

Mikey,

Like a true Irishman, it's tough to nail you down to a specific answer on such a philisophical question. I think this is as good as it's gonna get

Because this topic only refers to the EARLY SAs, maker marked with no RZMs or Transitionals, I have erased several pics just showing inappropriate types. Mike

Get on them, Mike. Those "inappropriate posters" need to be watched.

As to rarity, there is one even rarer.

Anyone ??

Dave

Wester & Butz

Boker ????This dagger was forsale a few months ago on a German site,nats

The Oracle of Arnaudville has spoken !!!!!

By the way, you have named the only McSarr 10s I do not have !!! Will a new list be forthcoming with McSarr 11's listed ?

Stan, do you have the address of the site with the Boker? Mike

321 site? I've thought there is no evidence, that B�ker made early SA daggers ...

Luko.

Ernst Rottgen

I have one of these can you tell me what its worth ? I have a nice one

quote:

Originally posted by Fitzer:
Ernst Rottgen. Heres one..that was never seen up until about a year ago. I forget who the owner was and I hope they don't mind me posting it.

C'mon just look at the dagger shoulder to lower crossguard fit you can actually see the tang it is so bad...biggest gap that I have ever seen...obviously a parts dagger just fron one picture....cheers, Ryan

Regarding the Boker- people have done this before- take a pic of the front of a normal SA, then switch a Boker SS blade into a SA handle and take a pic of the reverse. Of course they will never bring it to a show or allow examination. Mike

Following three...

He guys what about E. Gierling?

where does the Gebr. Torley TM rank on 1-10 scale??..thanks Robert

Its a solid 10 I believe with 3000 being made. This is from memory, so I might be wrong on the amount made but last I checked it was a 10!

incorrect on number made(3000) as no one really knows how many were made - incorrect on rating of 10- MJM

Hi all,

Its a 9! Gierling I mean ... But y'all probably know that better then I do. Possibly 1000 made, but that number probably is made of guessing? Do listings mean "unknown but probably less than a 1000" when they say "1000"? I dont have the org McSarr, but the Nakita, and I have Siegert's book, which is essential, and WAY awesome, for the pics alone

Sincerely,
Karin-Renate

OK, I'm told I'm telling unallowed stuff there, I'm sorry, wasn't aware of ANY circumstances related to ANY of this ... please, mods/admins, by all means, delete or edit my post, masking numbers/names/whatever necessary ... I can't edit myself anymore, I tried, but, too much time exceeded

Surely Torley is a 10?

Torley is not a 10-MJM

My apologies then, I was under the impression that it was a 10. What is its rarity number then?

I am not trying to ba an a..hole here,but if people is interested in SA daggers,contact Mike McAlvana,and buy the McSarr list.
It is a great list to have

carlos1

Well I check Ralf Siegerts book, he lists it as an 10 and with about 10,000 made, pg 309 I believe.

So it seem there is conflicting views here then.

I must say one gets a lot of flak on these forums. Sometimes people are downright rude (I am recalling all the times I have been shot down on here), maybe its time to migrate to WAF indefinitly...

Hi Fran�ois

YES, I saw that too? But Nakida says its a 1000 made, which would make more sense if its a 10, and both these works say it IS a 10

But, OK, just building op, to ask about that? I believe The Nakidalist is actually McSarr-list, but with added goodies? Nakida has permission to use McSarr! And, YES, I have a paid-for Nakida here.

I could be wrong though, what do I know after all, right, I'm just beginning with everything, but, Siegert, I'm told he's here on the forum? And, does the German SA book say 10.000 made for Torley too? Or is it just the translated English book that says this amount?

Just curious, I'll make a addendum by hand for incorrect number if its not correct! For future reference.

Sincerely not intending to be a Flak-target,
Karin-Renate

Krullies!

In the English version of the book it states 10.000 were made.

I was also under the impression that this was a "added" McSarr list as studied by Mr. Siegert owns observations on rarity of makers.

I am sure that on different continents different rarities would exist between different makers. Maybe in the USA Torleys might be more common than in Europe

Would be nice to have Mr.Siegerts opinion on this or even Nakida?

Don't worry my flak jacket is out of the cupboard and on at the moment...

FS

Hi Fran�ois,

Thats an angle I never really thought of? I guess, the rarity goes for the world, with the internet + all, the market is all of us collectors? But, maybe not!

BUT, I recall a discussion, that has all different marks of Eickhorn as subject. And, there can be a subdivision for rarity for makers! Like, if Eickhorn uses 6 or 7 different marks, maybe the maker is a 1, with over 50000 daggers made? Some Eickhorn with a mark only used for 500 or so daggers could make THOSE daggers a higher number?

Now, I dunno, I've been talking about HACO somewhere, and learned a bit about this maker. Well, not maker, but distributor, better said! So, every dagger got numbered? THAT is SPECIAL! So, even if HACO is only 5, I can understand that these things cost so much? Maybe HACO can be subdivided too? But, we'd need to find out their makers/suppliers then though, I guess

Anyway, to be short, perhaps 1 general rarity for a maker, has subrarities too? And, ofcourse, your idea, I'd like to know about THAT too ... But, somehow, I don't think an Eickhorn would get a different number over here in Europe from the number it gets in the States? Or Australia? Or your Africa ofcourse

Sincerely,
Karin-Renate

Here is a simple logo, that I have not seen in the last 26 pages, to add to the list. Gebr.Heller

Hi Siegfried B.here is another Heller etched not stamped maker mark nats

Hey Nats I remember that photo when I first joined the GDC and you showed me the difference between my Gebr.Heller and yours that you are showing now. I was the one who had the Marienthal question about the gruppe mark Th. Yours is a good one that you posted!! Is yours an early or late model,, i dont see a Gruppe mark on yours? Larry

Here is one you do'nt see very often.nats

Hi Everyone I think this one is quite rare,
Ernst Hugo Rasspe , nats

What the name of the maker with the football on the blade?
thanks

Hey Oleg1,

You mean this 1? As attached? Its Bonntgen & Sabin, or Bonsawerk. Some 6000 made, nice whopping higher rating on "the" list I can say THAT cant I? Or ... ? Not? You'll have to get either 1 of 3 works (that I know of! Siegert's book, the Nakidalist or the McSarrlist) on this to know WHAT number

Sincerely,
Karin-Renate

Thanks I have a K98 bayo made in 1917 with this maker. Just was wondering the name.

Youre very welcome Oleg1 Is your bayonette in here somewhere? I never gave anything like that attention, so far? K98 is a rifle, right? With 1 of them handles on the side, you pull back, to load a bullet? Or ... ? Anyhow, not Pr�sentationsdolch-stuff I guess, but still, cool

A lot of these dagger/bayonet makers started by making straight razors, scissors, pocket knives and kitchen ware. That is a great little ad. Karin. Thanks for posting it. I've never seen an SA marked with that mark. Though I would love to see one.

Also yes Karin a K98 was the standard weapon that was issued to a Soldier in the Wehrmacht. Think 12-13 million were produced by wars end. It is a 5 shot, bolt action rifle. Its not nearly as pretty and stylish as those pin and medals you collect though.

Hi Adam



Yes, indeed! Inoticed that, some months ago, finding out how to translate what was going on in a maker mark into words. There was more to that mark, and there are other collectingworlds specializing in that! Very cool. I also found daggerpics with marks, I think I saved as much as I found, but I can be trusted to make a mess of my computer *LOL* Ill start the hunt ...



5 shots only? Like, wow, you'd have to reload every 5 shots? Is that clips? Or 5 single bullets? Or both, like, you have to load clips you can load in the rifle? I have been reading War of the Rats, just in a cr*ppy dutch translation, but its a great story! With a female main character even, yay! The end, is very very heavy to read, very emotional, but also very cold, and, somehow, a weird unexpected end, maybe it even felt unfair, in a way, but, such is life, I guess, and war is even worse? So, anyway, some technicalities came along, like rifle comparison, and how the Russian Nagant rifle, was more loved by German (+ ofcourse Russian) snipers then the German Mauser. The Russian gun had a better long distance precision. Interesting stuff. Not all clear (yet?) to me, so, I had to ask, thanks

Sincerely,
Karin-Renate

Here is a Bontgen & Sabin from my Collection. Nice makers mark for sure .
Its rate a "7" on the Mc Sarr.

LH

Wow, LH, LOOK at THAT crossgrain Crispy makermark, awesome! Would you share more of it if we ask nicely?

Oh yes karin Renate.
I will make a new tread later with some new SA daggers just land in + this Sabin

One more.. Picture is of the same dagger.

Rick & E. Hartkopf SA

LH

http://phpstack-500133-1583587.cloudwaysapps.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=226800#Post226800

Hello here is SA Koch & Rauch that i sold ten years ago: http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5871/daguekr003.jpg

Here is a rare "Ernst Kemper" which is 10 on the Mc Sarr list with abt. 1000 pieces produced...enjoy

Those are both very epic-looking, sirs! What rarity is the Koch & Rau (no CH is there?) now? The list I have tells 8, but, Im told that list is renewed now? The Herbertz&Meurer I posted is now up a number from 7 to 8 in rarity!

Bye,
KR